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Pup breeding
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10/27/18 02:59 PM
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How close is too close? I know there’s a lot of line breeding in the pointers. If sire and dam of a litter have same dam, that seems pretty close. Opinions from the experts?
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/27/18 03:11 PM
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How close is too close? I know there’s a lot of line breeding in the pointers. If sire and dam of a litter have same dam, that seems pretty close. Opinions from the experts? If possible look at the COI. Anything over 12 and I'd be concerned. I recently contemplated a line breeding on FC AFC Shaq that would produce pups with a COI of 15 but ultimately decided against it. Shaq is my dog's grandsire and the dog I wanted to breed to had Shaq as the sire. I know that breeding cousins is not uncommon but what you're describing is breeding half siblings. I bet that's too close. IMO
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/27/18 03:55 PM
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Well I'm not entirely certain. There are a couple of databases that do it. You need to have st least 10-12 generations. If the dogs are in K9data.com you can do a test breeding and in a couple weeks they will post the COI. http://www.dogbreedhealth.com/a-beginners-guide-to-coi/
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/27/18 04:01 PM
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I think it could be higher depending on common ancestors on the sire side... 12.5 would not be enough to scare me off if i really liked the breeding.
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/27/18 04:07 PM
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It could be higher. I think pointer breeders look at it differently than the lab folks
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/27/18 04:37 PM
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Professional call it line breeding. Back yardears call it in breeding.
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/27/18 04:57 PM
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So Bill, what’s your take on half siblings? I found a litter that had Guard Rail blood in the common dam
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/27/18 05:51 PM
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Risky but depends on the nick.
Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/28/18 05:15 AM
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It could be higher. I think pointer breeders look at it differently than the lab folks I've own one that had a COI of 35.2 She was a awesome little Vizsla. My newest one is 15.9.
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/31/18 01:37 AM
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My mentor told me if you bred a birddog to a birddog most likely you will get a birddog.
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/31/18 01:03 PM
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I think I’ve heard that somewhere before
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Re: Pup breeding
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10/31/18 02:10 PM
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I know I’ve heard that before.
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