texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
Lonestar97, Johnny Dyer, mt1611, johnjake, Seatruckn
65802 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 94,402
bill oxner 57,634
stxranchman 55,239
SnakeWrangler 47,211
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,436
BMD 41,029
Big Orn 37,484
Facebook
Forum Statistics
Forums45
Topics438,175
Posts6,358,236
Members65,802
Most Online16,728
Mar 25th, 2012
Print Thread
Hip dysplasia help #7323084 10/22/18 05:52 PM
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,388
T
topwater13 Offline OP
Pro Tracker
OP Offline
Pro Tracker
T
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,388
Our 9 month old chesapeake bay retriever was just diagnosed with HP. The local vet referred us to the board certified surgeons at DVSC in Southlake. I am looking for first hand experience here.
The vet was telling me that the femoral head ostectomy (FHO) has provided good results. Replacement surgery may be better, but more expensive. Our dog is 90lbs and the FHO operation worries me with all that weight bearing down on muscle.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7323205 10/22/18 07:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,995
M
MS1454 Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
M
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,995
Diagnosed by who? The dog is still growing so am not sure a diagnosis can be given.


Originally Posted By: Fooshman
I'll take a Black Female every time.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7323300 10/22/18 08:19 PM
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,388
T
topwater13 Offline OP
Pro Tracker
OP Offline
Pro Tracker
T
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,388
Our local vet. Iím not a vet, but the hip was noticeably out of socket when compared to the other.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: MS1454] #7323528 10/22/18 10:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 57,634
bill oxner Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 57,634
Originally Posted By: MS1454
Diagnosed by who? The dog is still growing so am not sure a diagnosis can be given.


Good question. This setter got diagnosed a couple of years ago. He's still hunting well with medication. They work a lot harder and longer than retrievers.



Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill


[Linked Image]




Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7323581 10/22/18 11:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 4,150
S
scalebuster Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
S
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 4,150
Originally Posted By: topwater13
Our 9 month old chesapeake bay retriever was just diagnosed with HP. The local vet referred us to the board certified surgeons at DVSC in Southlake. I am looking for first hand experience here.
The vet was telling me that the femoral head ostectomy (FHO) has provided good results. Replacement surgery may be better, but more expensive. Our dog is 90lbs and the FHO operation worries me with all that weight bearing down on muscle.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.



The only recomendation I would give is to cut your losses and get a new pup. Healthy dogs are expensive. A pup already having problems at 9 months will cost way more than what theyíre worth. Sometimes itís better to start over.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7323692 10/23/18 01:10 AM
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,598
C
Cow_doc.308 Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
C
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,598
DVSC is a good group. FHO surgery is an option and they do well but will eventually break down. My chocolate lab was hit by car before I got her at 4 years and I hunted her til her elbow on sane side started causing pain. FHO will result in some muscle changes as the dog adjusts to the new physics of the joint.

Hip replacement also an option. Definitely more expensive and probably have to wait til growth plates close.

There are some other surgical options for young dogs with bad hips. Honestly, thatís about all I remember about them. Lol. I remember the lectures in school.

If you have the films, Iíd like to see them.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7323804 10/23/18 02:26 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,393
M
Mud Shark Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
M
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,393
9 months...90lbs...already diagnosed with Hip dysplasia...
Seems very early for a working dog to be 90 lbs as well as being diagnosed with Hip dysplasia.
Most folks don't even get their dogs hips x-rayed until 24 months.

Heard good things about DVSC, but might not hurt to get a(nother) second opinion.

Last edited by Mud Shark; 10/23/18 02:26 AM.

Mud Shark

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7324103 10/23/18 02:00 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
Its going to take a ortho surgeon, to even figure out if your pup is a candidate for total hip replacement. One of the dogs I fostered had to have FHO, as she was not a good candidate THR. Dr William Liska is who we used. He his known for doing hip replacements, so when he said there was a very high chance the device would fail. It was a no brainer, on the way to go with her.
Some dogs do great on meds alone. Her femoral head was out of socket, and not intact.

If you are considering THR, get two opinions from surgeons in different practices.
The 2 opinion can use the first ones xrays. It will cost you between $120-$150 for the second opinion.
Doing this saved the rescue about $4000.
If $5000-$8000 is not in your budget, I wouldn't bother considering THR.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7324227 10/23/18 04:24 PM
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,730
T
texfork Online Content
Extreme Tracker
Online Content
Extreme Tracker
T
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,730
Originally Posted By: topwater13
Our 9 month old chesapeake bay retriever was just diagnosed with HP. The local vet referred us to the board certified surgeons at DVSC in Southlake. I am looking for first hand experience here.
The vet was telling me that the femoral head ostectomy (FHO) has provided good results. Replacement surgery may be better, but more expensive. Our dog is 90lbs and the FHO operation worries me with all that weight bearing down on muscle.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

I had the FHO surgery done on my 9 month old Golden at the same place . She was 80# at the time . She adjusted well to the surgery and had no pain after healing .
She did look like her back legs flayed alittle when running , but she sure could run but could not jump in a truck anymore .
That is a very good hospital with good doctors . PM me if I can answer any other questions .



Prayer is the "ultimate" wireless connection .
Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7324339 10/23/18 06:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,638
C
Cochise Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
C
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,638
Originally Posted By: topwater13
Our 9 month old chesapeake bay retriever was just diagnosed with HP. The local vet referred us to the board certified surgeons at DVSC in Southlake. I am looking for first hand experience here.
The vet was telling me that the femoral head ostectomy (FHO) has provided good results. Replacement surgery may be better, but more expensive. Our dog is 90lbs and the FHO operation worries me with all that weight bearing down on muscle.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.



I would get two opinions - one from DVSC and one from A&M - you'll have to get referred to A&M from your vet also.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7328307 10/26/18 11:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,388
T
topwater13 Offline OP
Pro Tracker
OP Offline
Pro Tracker
T
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,388
I appreciate the responses. We have an appointment 10/30 at DVSC. We will see how it goes.

To clarify on the weight comment, he was just starting to train outside of common obedience. Both of his parents were on the large side of the parameters with his father being 110lbs. From what Iíve been told HD can be diagnosed at anytime since itís mostly hereditary.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7328446 10/27/18 02:07 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 465
B
Birdhunter61 Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
B
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 465
It is hereditary. The breeder should make it good for you.
A reputable breeder will have a hip guarantee to 2years old

Robby

Last edited by Birdhunter61; 10/27/18 02:10 AM.
Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7330096 10/29/18 03:39 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
Hopefully they can come up with plan for him.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: Birdhunter61] #7338271 11/05/18 04:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,999
M
mattyg06 Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
M
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,999
Originally Posted By: Birdhunter61
It is hereditary. The breeder should make it good for you.
A reputable breeder will have a hip guarantee to 2years old

Robby


Since it is hereditary.. the 2 year guarantees, which are pretty standard, don't really make sense to me. If the dog had the disease from day one but it shows up at 2 year and 6 months it doesn't fall under the guarantee.

I wish progeny testing and late age hip dysplasia tests were more common. But then again I don't think the breeding community would be happy with the results if all dogs were checked that often.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7338475 11/05/18 07:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
The earliest a dog can officially be OFA'd for hips, is two years old. Prelims, or Pennhip can be done a lot earlier.
I don't think a breeder (I'm not one) should have to guarantee hips for 5-10 years, because the owner failed to do the testing in a timely manner.

As much as we pay, for some bloodlines.
Basic health testing is a small cost, to protect your investment.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: kindall] #7338511 11/05/18 07:26 PM
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 6,633
B
BradyBuck Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
B
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 6,633
Originally Posted By: kindall
The earliest a dog can officially be OFA'd for hips, is two years old. Prelims, or Pennhip can be done a lot earlier.
I don't think a breeder (I'm not one) should have to guarantee hips for 5-10 years, because the owner failed to do the testing in a timely manner.

As much as we pay, for some bloodlines.
Basic health testing is a small cost, to protect your investment.


Even if a dogs can't have OFAs done till 24 months they can be diagnosed with HD at an earlier age. Most hip guarantees are only good upto 26 months.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7338675 11/05/18 09:23 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,603
6
68rustbucket Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
6
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,603
Back when I had a lab, my vet said he could look at X-ray and tell when the pup was a few months old.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: BradyBuck] #7338783 11/05/18 10:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
Originally Posted By: BradyBuck
Originally Posted By: kindall
The earliest a dog can officially be OFA'd for hips, is two years old. Prelims, or Pennhip can be done a lot earlier.
I don't think a breeder (I'm not one) should have to guarantee hips for 5-10 years, because the owner failed to do the testing in a timely manner.

As much as we pay, for some bloodlines.
Basic health testing is a small cost, to protect your investment.


Even if a dogs can't have OFAs done till 24 months they can be diagnosed with HD at an earlier age. Most hip guarantees are only good upto 26 months.


2x
I agree with you.
My response was to Mattys post.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7348228 11/14/18 03:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
Well what I thought was a possible injury, has been diagnosed as mild to moderate HD in my 8 1/2 month old pup. Ortho vet did the xrays. I'm meeting with him on Monday, to go over them and see what the options are for her. I'm also having her referred to A&M, for a second opinion. Dogs in her pedigree have OFA health clearances, and the breeder will stand behind their guarantee.
Just want a second opinion, before I make any decisions on her.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7348391 11/14/18 05:53 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,999
M
mattyg06 Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
M
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,999
I have a 4 year old lab that was diagnosed with HD at 2 years old.

One thing to consider before jumping into surgery is the expected longevity of the replacement. I talked with several surgical vets and the consensus was to keep an eye on the dog. If you start to see loss of muscle mass and greater symptoms then that is the the time to consider surgery.

We have gone 2 seasons since the diagnosis and there are no visible symptoms, no loss of muscle mass or decrease in performance. After next season we will retake the xrays to see the progression of the disease. But I feel better about surgery once the dog is 5-6 years old so you don't have to rely on the replacement as long as if you performed the surgery at 2 years old.

I have also talked with several breeders who have had dogs diagnosed with HD at a young age but the dogs were able to hunt with no problems until they were over 10 years old.

I know A&M is a top school but I would rather have surgeons who do the operation daily work on my dog rather than a student who maybe doing his first couple of surgeries. Even with a seasoned attending watching over I would choose experience over the residency setting.

Attached Files HD.JPG
Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7348649 11/14/18 10:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
A&M is just for a second opinion.
I'm not jumping into any surgery at her age, while she is still growing. She's not showing any pain, just some sway to he hips when walking.
I've already spoken over the phone to Dr Liska. If he wasn't on break till the first of the year, he is who she would be seeing.
Her breeder will take her back, if I decide to go that route.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7348814 11/15/18 01:42 AM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,999
M
mattyg06 Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
M
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,999
No way I could send her back, but the wife would have put up an even bigger fight. We have 2 now.

Attached Files IMG_2687.JPG
Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7348857 11/15/18 02:50 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
I'm not saying she's going back. I just have that option.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7354463 11/21/18 03:00 PM
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 248
H
hunting_guy Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
H
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 248
Just went through this same thing with a high dollar lab I bought back in May. He grew extremely fast, I always fed all my labs Purina Sport. In fact, he grew so fast he looked like a grey hound, I couldn't keep any weight on him. Noticed he would crow hop real bad, didn't like to jump up onto elevated objects, had trouble running long distances. Took him to the vet immediately when he was about 5 months. Vet did X-Rays and told me it look like HD, but said she couldn't confirm until the growth plates and bones hardened and I brought him in for a follow up X-Ray. She advised me to pull him off of high protein Purina and just put on regular puppy chow, no training, and no work for 2 months.

I did that, he is better. Growth slowed down, and now he's starting to fill out more. He looks much better, can run long distances without looking like he is in pain, (still doesn't like to jump). Problem is he is WAY behind on his training now. But I'm glad he's healthy... I was sure worried.

Same thing though, my wife said she didn't care if he had it or not we weren't returning the dog. He could just be a house dog and I could get another.

Re: Hip dysplasia help [Re: topwater13] #7356862 11/24/18 06:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
K
kindall Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
K
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,090
Hoping Topwater, and I have the same results as you.
I've seen dogs go a lot of years, without it causing a problem.
I've also seen it go the other way.
Mine is not lame, or have problems jumping.
Vet mention, TPO as a possible option.
I see me taking a chance on that surgery, when she's not in pain.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2019 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3