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2018 Snake Avoidance training season started #7245797
08/05/18 10:37 AM
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Trained in Roanoak yesterday. What a gift in the weather. Mid 70s, nice breeze and low humidity. Wow! I forgot what low humidity felt like. All the dogs did very well. Good group of people.

I am off to stinkbellys place in Weatherford right now. Stink and I have been doing this for a long time. I look forward to his clinic every year. It's always a good crowd and all runs very well. See y'all there!


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Re: 2018 Snake Avoidance training season started [Re: wal1809] #7245903
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Weather did turn out nice! Met lots of great people with great dogs. Thank you for for training our two labs! Thanks for a well organized event and doing what you do



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wal1809,

Will you be providing the avoidance training in south or central Texas at all over the next month or so? I was unable to make the trip to Weatherford...

Thanks,
Randal
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What about the term 'Pack breaking'?

Wayne I was thinking about what you said while training. You talked about being more concise in your wording of the specific approach you take when training a dog to make their own decisions and not follow the alpha/pack leader towards snakes.

Dogs are a pack animal, like you mentioned, and you are specifically breaking them of this 'pack' mentality and wanting them to think for themselves and not to follow the 'leader' into a dangerous situation.

So technically you are breaking them of this pack decision making process....hence a 'pack breaking' snake clinic.

Anyway great clinic.

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Originally Posted By: My stand is pink camo
Weather did turn out nice! Met lots of great people with great dogs. Thank you for for training our two labs! Thanks for a well organized event and doing what you do


Mam I cannot even describe how good I feel when at my clinics. My customers are the best. I get to deal with happy people and that is a rarity in today's society. I especially love working the dogs as there is nothing hidden with them. If their tails are wagging, they're happy. If they bite me, they're not happy. I cannot wait to do this full time. The retirement app on my telephone says 2 years 4 months 24 days 15 hours 30 minutes and 59 seconds. It seems surreal the possibility of doing this full time.


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Re: 2018 Snake Avoidance training season started [Re: TX_Birddog1L] #7247928
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Originally Posted By: TX_Birddog1L
wal1809,

Will you be providing the avoidance training in south or central Texas at all over the next month or so? I was unable to make the trip to Weatherford...

Thanks,
Randal
830-328-0123


The closest I will be to you is at Unleashed Unlimited Leander, Texas next Saturday or Best Retrievers in Paige, Texas the last Saturday in August.

http://www.snakebreaker.com/ there is a list of the public clinics for the August training season on that site.

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Originally Posted By: mattyg06
What about the term 'Pack breaking'?

Wayne I was thinking about what you said while training. You talked about being more concise in your wording of the specific approach you take when training a dog to make their own decisions and not follow the alpha/pack leader towards snakes.

Dogs are a pack animal, like you mentioned, and you are specifically breaking them of this 'pack' mentality and wanting them to think for themselves and not to follow the 'leader' into a dangerous situation.

So technically you are breaking them of this pack decision making process....hence a 'pack breaking' snake clinic.

Anyway great clinic.


Thank you Sir. Which was your dog so I can put a face to matty06? I get what your saying. It is hard for me to tell the group whats happening. I am glad once we get to the training and we are one on one, the light goes on and everyone gets it then.

The other part that is hard to come out and say is the difference in the training methods. Anybody can train t he 9 month old Labrador. They are the butter on the bread for sure. If it was actually "Dog see snake_shock dog" training, the 9 month old lab would be the poster for that training. Its the problem dogs where one better know their the science behind it. As a young trainer I was a was a legend in my own mind. All my people had young labs and they thought I was really good at it. That was not the case, at all. The thoughts I had about my training were short lived as all the dogs I was training were the 9 month old, poorly obedience trained, low speed Labradors. The first time I got to a high speed low drag Labrador trained by Rody Best, I got my butt handed to me as I was the poorly trained trainer. I did what I thought was right, like every trainer in the business. I trained the dog, set up the test and had the owner call the dog across the snake. We all thought the dogs were failing because they would bolt right straight across the snake, every time. The dogs weren't failing at all. They were literally between a rock and a hard spot. They were so confused. Once I studied the situation it hit me like a truck. Once I changed my methods (You saw the difference this last weekend) we started getting 100% positive results. The high speed dogs all passed.

This thing has become my own private monster. I couldn't let this tiger tail go if I wanted to. I have done a lot of things in this life. I have been a cop so long I don't even remember what NOT being a cop is like. 11 years of that career as a crime scene investigator. I couldn't trade the experiences and wouldn't, I investigated and tagged a real life serial killer. To me that was like a ball player knocking a home run to win game four of the world series. All of this pales in comparison to my little bitty training company. This training is the only thing I can call my own. I started it off the same way as everything else. I learned from someone else and did what they did. Then things progressed and I studied this trade. I filmed dogs in contact with venomous snakes by themselves, in packs and every scenario you can imagine. I watched these videos studying until I thought my eyes stop working. I have had super powers in the dog training world give me advice. It was very tough to put their advice aside as I thought it wasn't correct. That was difficult, as these are muy successful people in the dog world. To lay aside their advise worked on my brain for a awhile.

There is a lot more of the history but I am trying to say, this thing is mine. This is the one thing nobody taught me, showed me, instructed me. I worked for 15 years to get here. There is still more to learn.

I could tell the clients weren't quite understanding the morning talk/speech/introduction. As the clients came through and we spoke, I could see the light bulb flickering on. What I told them earlier became crystal clear. Once they got it they were involved. They understood. I felt successful, alive and on the pulse of living. Maybe it all sounds corny to some, I am OK with that.I just felt on top of the world, walking on sunshine. I don't want to die but when I do, I hope I have that transmitter in my hand after knocking out a 100 dog clinic.


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I was the one with Rita, the 8 month old female yellow (reddish) lab. My group also brought the only golden retriever, Ellie.

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Does anyone know how the clinic is at Best Retrievers this sat? Is it just a first come first served?

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Here's the link to Best Retrievers. I will be there with our two labs.


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mattyg06 I have been thinking about the Pack Breaking. Although not specific, it is something I can use to get to the final definition. I had a pup last night that was super classic "Follow the pack" mentality. He wouldn't go to the snake so I backed off, got the owner in there and instructed the owner to do the "Thing" and that pup went right in. The owner smiled and you could see the lights come on. He was intrigued to say the least.

On another note. Anyone that wants to get it done, you best come on with it. I am going hunting!!!!


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