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Unbelievable innovation!








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I have used Sierra Gamekings for hunting in the past and they performed very well. It's a try to see its results. Hopefully someone here steps up to the plate and posts results soon. up

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Iíll bite the bullet and buy a 1000 rounds and do load development and test at range as well as on animals. I do need need someone to donate a rifle accurate enough for the testing. Preferably in left hand please. Lol

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More choices is always nice but the name cracks me up. They developed a plastic tipped hunting bullet. I think now only Speer lacks one.


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Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
More choices is always nice but the name cracks me up. They developed a plastic tipped hunting bullet. I think now only Speer lacks one.


Pretty sure thatís because Speer donít need one. Or should I say Iím impressed with their hunting offerings.

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More choices is always nice but the name cracks me up. They developed a plastic tipped hunting bullet. I think now only Speer lacks one.


Pretty sure thatís because Speer donít need one. Or should I say Iím impressed with their hunting offerings.


Speer is sucking hind teat now days. When you compare bullets across the board. Hornady, Sierra, and Berger are out front.



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Hadnít noticed any Bergers with plastic tips either.
Good to see Sierra keep stepping up. I will be trying that 130 gr 6.5 for sure.


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Originally Posted By: wp75169
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More choices is always nice but the name cracks me up. They developed a plastic tipped hunting bullet. I think now only Speer lacks one.


Pretty sure thatís because Speer donít need one. Or should I say Iím impressed with their hunting offerings.


Hot Cor is still a great bullet but now the market is demanding high BC plastic tip bullets. I'm also not particularly thrilled with Speer's history of introducing a new bullet line and then pulling them 2 years later (Deepshok, Deepcurl). We will see what happens with the Gold Dot rifle bullets but it's already clear their BC numbers for that line are inflated.


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How long has Nosler been making that same bullet?

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG


Speer is sucking hind teat now days. When you compare bullets across the board. Hornady, Sierra, and Berger are out front.


Out front in what way?

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Availability of speer has been horrid in the past. They have a knack for releasing a bullet then deciding to only sale to manufacturers.

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Speer is sucking hind teat now days. When you compare bullets across the board. Hornady, Sierra, and Berger are out front.


Out front in what way?


High BC (constantly increasing), consistent bullet to bullet, performs well on game, fair price, Berger being the most expensive of the three. I only have one rifle running on Berger, two running on Sierra, and 5 running on Hornady.



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The polymer tip does 2 things. 1- it keeps the tip constant (for constant BC) and does not vary like a HP does. 2- it provides a larger HP opening behind the tip to allow the bullet to open up easier and at lower speeds.

But, the main negative of a polymer tip is it adds length to the bullet. This is a problem in 2 ways, also. 1- you need more twist to stabilize that bullet, since it is a longer bullet than a HP design (bullet stability is based mainly on bullet length, not the weight) . 2- you run into magazine length issues with many polymer tips. With bullets being more aggressively shaped now (higher BC, longer ogive to tip lengths) and are much longer than your traditional bullets, it can become an issue with these bullets fitting and feeding in the magazine while keeping the ogive of the bullet close to the lands. The HP design has less of an issue with this.



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Speer is sucking hind teat now days. When you compare bullets across the board. Hornady, Sierra, and Berger are out front.


Out front in what way?


High BC (constantly increasing), consistent bullet to bullet, performs well on game, fair price, Berger being the most expensive of the three. I only have one rifle running on Berger, two running on Sierra, and 5 running on Hornady.


Gotcha.

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
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Speer is sucking hind teat now days. When you compare bullets across the board. Hornady, Sierra, and Berger are out front.


Out front in what way?


High BC (constantly increasing), consistent bullet to bullet, performs well on game, fair price, Berger being the most expensive of the three. I only have one rifle running on Berger, two running on Sierra, and 5 running on Hornady.


I agree with your statement for your application. For 98% of the hunting actually done in Texas you didnít list a better bullet than Speer. And before you start arguing your point remember I agreed with it.

Edit: my opinion is based on actual on game performance and price. They made bonded bullets before bonded bullets were cool so they didnít make them ďpremiumĒ priced.

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Iíd try them. The name sucks though.


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Speer is sucking hind teat now days. When you compare bullets across the board. Hornady, Sierra, and Berger are out front.


Out front in what way?


High BC (constantly increasing), consistent bullet to bullet, performs well on game, fair price, Berger being the most expensive of the three. I only have one rifle running on Berger, two running on Sierra, and 5 running on Hornady.


I agree with your statement for your application. For 98% of the hunting actually done in Texas you didnít list a better bullet than Speer. And before you start arguing your point remember I agreed with it.

Edit: my opinion is based on actual on game performance and price. They made bonded bullets before bonded bullets were cool so they didnít make them ďpremiumĒ priced.


All those I listed work at close range as well.



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For sure they do. For more money.

Iím just being realistic. Donít get me wrong, I love shooting long range and donít really pay attention to the price of bullets. But I donít think thatís the majority of hunters.

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And for every bit that the long range oriented bullets shine at long range, bullets designed with a focus towards on game performance shine just as much at "typical" shot distances. No doubt in my mind a partition, accubond, sirocco etc. is a more reliable performer on game than the uber high bc group. Not saying the high bc crowd cant kill game, but on the other hand you can shoot 600 yards with a core lock too ( it just doesn't do it as well).


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And for every bit that the long range oriented bullets shine at long range, bullets designed with a focus towards on game performance shine just as much at "typical" shot distances. No doubt in my mind a partition, accubond, sirocco etc. is a more reliable performer on game than the uber high bc group. Not saying the high bc crowd cant kill game, but on the other hand you can shoot 600 yards with a core lock too ( it just doesn't do it as well).


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The "X" means expand, and they do...

One bullet, one powder charge for each rifle, and that ammo does it all. Just that simple.

edit: Once again, it takes velocity to create penetration and deliver foot pounds. The bullet has to get inside. BC is the ability to maintain velocity. The faster it is going at distance the better off the results. Other end of the spectrum, if I throw a bullet, with my hand, at an animal, all I'll do is spook the animal or it'll brush it off as an insect.

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Originally Posted By: redchevy
And for every bit that the long range oriented bullets shine at long range, bullets designed with a focus towards on game performance shine just as much at "typical" shot distances. No doubt in my mind a partition, accubond, sirocco etc. is a more reliable performer on game than the uber high bc group. Not saying the high bc crowd cant kill game, but on the other hand you can shoot 600 yards with a core lock too ( it just doesn't do it as well).


Amen brother.

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Originally Posted By: redchevy
And for every bit that the long range oriented bullets shine at long range, bullets designed with a focus towards on game performance shine just as much at "typical" shot distances. No doubt in my mind a partition, accubond, sirocco etc. is a more reliable performer on game than the uber high bc group. Not saying the high bc crowd cant kill game, but on the other hand you can shoot 600 yards with a core lock too ( it just doesn't do it as well).


You know ironically I've had more deer run or go farther when hit with an accubond than a Berger vld. Not saying none of the deer were dead in the end. Although had 1 accubond that was a full on failure although I label it as a fluke the deer had to be tracked for around 500yds and dispatched with a pistol.


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