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178 ELD X AND IMR 4064 INPUT #7208389
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I have been playing around with working up loads for a 24" Howa 308 for a little while now. I believe that I have finally worked up a load for 168 grain hpbt rounds over Varget. I have since found that Academy sells the 4064 for the same price that some of the lower priced web sites sell it for, without the added cost for hazardous shipping. I have been doing a little reading on the internet to see what, if anybody else has been doing with this combination. I was going to look at working up something that is close to the velocities that i get out of the factory loaded 175 SMK's since my rifle seems to really like those. Anyone worked up any 308 loads with these bullets and the 4064?

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Had alot of good results with 175's and 4064. My pet load was 175smk, 42.2gr imr4064, federal brass, 210M primer w/ 2.82" coal. Nasty accurate in my m1A and Savage 10fp. Was about 2600fps in the m1A and 2650fps in the bolt gun. The eldx may like a slightly different seating depth and charge but can't imagine it be a very drastic change.

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H-Varget is extremely temperature stable, and is terrific in the .308

IMR-4064 is not listed as an IMR Enduron powder, therefore not temperature stable. I would not trade H-Varget for it, ever!



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IMR4064 is a great powder and works very well in 7mm08 and 308. Actually I have gotten better groups with it than anything else. But it has a drawback, very temp sensitive. Throughout the the year, you will need different load workups if you are looking for sub MOA groups. That is the reason I recently switched to H-Varget hoping to lessen or totally eliminate different load workups.



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I had pretty good results with 42.8gr IMR4064, but when I switched to Varget (44.2gr) my groups have significantly improved. I'm seating the 178 ELD-X bullet .010" off the rifling for now.

Although the Varget is better for me in that application I'm still a big fan of IMR4064. For 168gr loads in my 308 the 4064 is unbeatable thus far; plus I use it in my M1 Garand, and Mosin Nagant.

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I didn't realize the 4064 was that temperature sensitive. I might run both powders through and see what it looks like.

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4064 is a great powder. I have personally used it for several rounds. 4064 has been around since the 30's, and was a top powder in the 60's and 70's for standard calibers, like the 308 Win. 4064 and the 308 would be similar to peanut butter and jelly. It is a very good powder for that, and has been around for a very long time. It is more temp sensitive than other powders, but it's not that bad, honestly. It is a very long extruded kernel powder and a single base powder. So on the scale of powder temp sensitivity, it's not that bad. You can load some very good match grade ammo with that combo.



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I canít even guess how many deer, pigs, and coyotes Iíve shot in various calibers and using IMR4064. Somewhere in the hundreds. Maybe if a fellow is doing serious long range target shooting, there are better options, but 4064 is a great powder for hunters and shooters. Iíve used it since about 1980.

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