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Need a set of Creed dies...donít think anything new and amazing out there in dies but thought I would ask.


Planning on Redding bushing dies. First time using bushing so this should be interesting

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I use redding bushing for my 6mm and whidden on my 22 creed. Both are equally as nice imo. I use redding seaters with both though.


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Interesting..trying to figure out if itís a gimmick or useful feature.

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I tried a whole bunch of stuff on mine, but the Hornady FL size and standard seating die work best for me.

I have a Lee neck sizer and Hornady bushing die with 288 and 289 bushings that I'd sell cheap if you're interested.

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Just curious why Redding bushing dies instead of a standard FL die set?



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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Just curious why Redding bushing dies instead of a standard FL die set?


bushing dies are overrated IMO

1. Redding with carbide sizer button
2. Check The Widden on YouTube, very nice stuff. I have their comp seater for my Creedmoor


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Just curious why Redding bushing dies instead of a standard FL die set?


Never used bushing died and wanted to try. Under the impression that it allows for a little more control of neck tension. I was planning on using alpha brass which is a bit thicker then other brass so I didnít want too much neck tension.

Any reasons not too? I have not hear any reason against them other than the ammo may not work in other guns

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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
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Just curious why Redding bushing dies instead of a standard FL die set?


bushing dies are overrated IMO

1. Redding with carbide sizer button
2. Check The Widden on YouTube, very nice stuff. I have their comp seater for my Creedmoor
I did some extensive measurements on my 6.5 brass after sizing to compare the bushing dies versus regular hornady FL sizing dies, and the FL die created much more consistent brass for me.

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Originally Posted By: patriot07

I did some extensive measurements on my 6.5 brass after sizing to compare the bushing dies versus regular hornady FL sizing dies, and the FL die created much more consistent brass for me.


Have you ever screwed around with Lee Collet dies? If you did, what did you see?




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Originally Posted By: patriot07
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Just curious why Redding bushing dies instead of a standard FL die set?


bushing dies are overrated IMO

1. Redding with carbide sizer button
2. Check The Widden on YouTube, very nice stuff. I have their comp seater for my Creedmoor
I did some extensive measurements on my 6.5 brass after sizing to compare the bushing dies versus regular hornady FL sizing dies, and the FL die created much more consistent brass for me.


In what ways was it more consistent?

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I mostly do too, Buzz, but the collet dies are truly outstanding---at least as far as design goes. They give excellent results, but I'd like to see them made the way Redding or Forster would make them.




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What's wrong with Lee collet neck sizing dies, and a Forster seater? The Lee's make very straight and accurate ammo, with very low runout.

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I use Whidden FL bushing dies, if you already know the bushing size you need Whidden can tailor a FL die so you don't have use a bushing.

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What's wrong with Lee collet neck sizing dies, and a Forster seater? The Lee's make very straight and accurate ammo, with very low runout.


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I like bushing dies to have the ability to control nk tension on verious types of brass. I get little to no runout with this setup.


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Just curious why Redding bushing dies instead of a standard FL die set?


bushing dies are overrated IMO

1. Redding with carbide sizer button
2. Check The Widden on YouTube, very nice stuff. I have their comp seater for my Creedmoor
I did some extensive measurements on my 6.5 brass after sizing to compare the bushing dies versus regular hornady FL sizing dies, and the FL die created much more consistent brass for me.


In what ways was it more consistent?
Primarily, the bushing die seemed to have much more variation in how much it stretched the case, which doesn't make any sense when you consider how each die operates. But I was getting wildly varying lengths out of the bushing die and very consistent lengths out of the FL sizer. You can solve it with a trimmer, but ultimately I think more stretch would contribute to varying wall thicknesses, which would eliminate your objective of doing a better job of controlling neck tension.

Runout was not a problem with either die. And both did a good job of leaving a consistent shoulder bump. But I got worried about some of the rounds being long enough to cause a problem using the bushing die, given how close I was running my brass to max length anyway.

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Do you remove the expander or leave it on? If you leave it on its probably causing the stretching issue.

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Can't say I have noticed any trim length issue's. I trim every 2nd firing though. I also only run an expander on my 22 creed die and that is only when necking down 6 creed brass.


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What about an RCBS X-Die? Isn't supposed to cure case stretching?


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Originally Posted By: patriot07
Primarily, the bushing die seemed to have much more variation in how much it stretched the case, which doesn't make any sense when you consider how each die operates. But I was getting wildly varying lengths out of the bushing die and very consistent lengths out of the FL sizer. You can solve it with a trimmer, but ultimately I think more stretch would contribute to varying wall thicknesses, which would eliminate your objective of doing a better job of controlling neck tension.

Runout was not a problem with either die. And both did a good job of leaving a consistent shoulder bump. But I got worried about some of the rounds being long enough to cause a problem using the bushing die, given how close I was running my brass to max length anyway.


My thinking is, you actually got more consistent neck thicknesses with the bushing die. That is what it is for. When it forces brass into consistent thickness, the brass has to go somewhere, which is forward. So my opinion is, if you want to compare measurements of consistency of bushing die versus standard die, is to be using a ball micrometer and measure neck thickness, not neck length.

As you stated, that is what trimming is for. Hornady, Remington, Winchester, Federal brand new out of the bag, I will size then with a bushing die, then trim all of them. They are less expensive, they are lower quality than premium brass such as Lapua, Nosler, Norma, therefore the savings in dollars means they require more work. They end up producing fine ammo, but they require attention right out of the gate.



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Primarily, the bushing die seemed to have much more variation in how much it stretched the case, which doesn't make any sense when you consider how each die operates. But I was getting wildly varying lengths out of the bushing die and very consistent lengths out of the FL sizer. You can solve it with a trimmer, but ultimately I think more stretch would contribute to varying wall thicknesses, which would eliminate your objective of doing a better job of controlling neck tension.

Runout was not a problem with either die. And both did a good job of leaving a consistent shoulder bump. But I got worried about some of the rounds being long enough to cause a problem using the bushing die, given how close I was running my brass to max length anyway.


My thinking is, you actually got more consistent neck thicknesses with the bushing die. That is what it is for. When it forces brass into consistent thickness, the brass has to go somewhere, which is forward. So my opinion is, if you want to compare measurements of consistency of bushing die versus standard die, is to be using a ball micrometer and measure neck thickness, not neck length.

As you stated, that is what trimming is for. Hornady, Remington, Winchester, Federal brand new out of the bag, I will size then with a bushing die, then trim all of them. They are less expensive, they are lower quality than premium brass such as Lapua, Nosler, Norma, therefore the savings in dollars means they require more work. They end up producing fine ammo, but they require attention right out of the gate.
Sounds like I was misinterpreting results. I'll give it another shot. Unfortunately I haven't tried again since getting my 289 bushing, and I think the 288 bushing was too much neck tension.

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