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looking to top off my forever do all rifle with some glass. For those that didn't follow the thread, its a Weatherby Mark V ultralight in .300 win mag.

The primary use for this weapon (yes, I said weapon) is hunting in the mountains in the Western U.S for elk, mule deer, goat, sheep and whatever bears I may see. Need it to be lightweight but still capable of reaching out 300-400 yards when the need arises.


Admittedly I'm a little bit obsolete in my knowledge of rifle scopes. My deer gun still wears the Redfield Tracker 3x9 that it was paired with back in 97'. The best rifle scope I own is a 4x16 Vortex Diamondback I have on my other Weatherby.

Looking at Leupold, Zeiss and Swavroski. I would not be opposed to another Vortex however I had a unexplainable incident with my Vortex where it was off. I guess I sort of lost confidence it in.


Looking for something in the 4x16-18 range, 1" or 30mm tube, less than 50mm objective (want to keep it light and mounted low on the rifle).


Hate tactical style reticles and much prefer a simple duplex reticle. The leupold firedot really has my attention right now.

price....don't really have a budget. Want to get good value. I'm recoiling at the price of my favorite scope, the Swavorski Z6. Even the Z5 makes me hiccup. I guess I want to stay at or around $1k for the scope.


Anyone have any suggestions? Anyone have any experience with the Vortex Viper or Razor HD?





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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?



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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


Nikon BDC scopes

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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


Nikon BDC scopes

popcorn


Run a lap!


That's not a Duplex.



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You should check out one of these. It has a great hunting reticle with plenty of holdover, it's lightweight, and has great glass.

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Raz...&ref=plSrch

This is the right reticle.







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NF 2x10x42

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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
NF 2x10x42

You just missed a great sale on LRHSi



I need more magnification


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


my plan to hit stuff that far?


Kentucky windage is what I've been using. Worked out pretty good so far


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I think the deer hunting shows and "Bro' Country" are going to be the downfall of this once-great nation.
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Originally Posted By: BigPig
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


Nikon BDC scopes

popcorn



I had a Nikon BDC.


I think i ended up throwing it at my dog


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I think the deer hunting shows and "Bro' Country" are going to be the downfall of this once-great nation.
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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
NF 2x10x42


More specifically, the NF NXS Compact 2.5-10x42 with the Improved Hunting Reticle, which is an improved duplex type reticle. The IHR is nice in its own way for those that like a duplex style.

With an ultralightweight boomstick, the NXS will hold up far better than any of the brands listed in the original post. A S&B 3-12x50 PMII would be the other option to consider, but there are no duplex style reticles for it.

10x magnification really is enough, but if you want more, then the 4-16x42 or x50 ATACR would be a very nice option, but there are no duplex style reticles for the ATACR.



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NF 2x10x42


More specifically, the NF NXS Compact 2.5-10x42 with the Improved Hunting Reticle, which is an improved duplex type reticle. The IHR is nice in its own way for those that like a duplex style.

With an ultralightweight boomstick, the NXS will hold up far better than any of the brands listed in the original post. A S&B 3-12x50 PMII would be the other option to consider, but there are no duplex style reticles for it.

10x magnification really is enough, but if you want more, then the 4-16x42 or x50 ATACR would be a very nice option, but there are no duplex style reticles for the ATACR.



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You should check out one of these. It has a great hunting reticle with plenty of holdover, it's lightweight, and has great glass.

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Raz...&ref=plSrch

This is the right reticle.








are the 8, 16, etc. minutes of angle?


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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


my plan to hit stuff that far?


Kentucky windage is what I've been using. Worked out pretty good so far




Ok. I'm out.

I hope you don't have to track them too far, if at all.



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The VX-5HD is a very nice scope. I haven't looked at a 3-15x, but the 2-10 has great glass and I have no reason to think the 3-15 would be any less. I have not looked at a VX-6 yet. I have my reasons for avoiding it. wink




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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


my plan to hit stuff that far?


Kentucky windage is what I've been using. Worked out pretty good so far




Ok. I'm out.


I hope you don't have to track them too far, if at all.



I have BDC type reticles on one of my rifles. to be honest I never used them....if the bullet drop comes into play I hold a tad high and let it rip. sounds stupid but it has been working.

last year had to make a shot in a heavy quartering wind (don't know what the wind speed was but it was blowing my costas around on the ground) i'm guessing 30mph, target was 200 yards give or take.


held into the wind at the point of the shoulder and bullet hit where I wanted it too in the crease along the foreleg.



I know its extremely unscientific and probably not the best way considering todays technology but I've had an ability to make running shots and to accurately judge holdover.


I would love to learn to better use drop reticles though. I think its a great tool to have.


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$899 on Cabelaís website - can probably find it a little cheaper shopping a bit. It will do all you want it to do. If you stick with ranges of 400 and under, the duplex is fine. Not because other scopes are not more precise, but because anyone can learn to shoot a duplex scope accurately within those ranges(not implying you need to learn). They are much more simple/intuitive in the field, especially if shooting isnít your avocation. My sheep rifle is sighted in 3Ē high at 100, puts it dead on at 280 or so with a holdover of a foot or so at 400 IIRC. I double check the rifle, trajectories, and holdover for 400 before hunting. Thatís the only holdover you have to even know.



I wouldnít go Vortex.

Edit: I didnít mean to picture the dialing turret model.

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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


my plan to hit stuff that far?


Kentucky windage is what I've been using. Worked out pretty good so far




Ok. I'm out.

I hope you don't have to track them too far, if at all.


I havenít lost or even tracked a western/northern game animal in 2 decades of hunting them. Itís not hard at all to be accurate with a duplex reticle at 400 and under.


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Leupold VX-5 HD. I have it, 3-15. Great hunting scope, seems to create light. I have a CDS for it. I also have a VX6. Both of these dials are on the money. I tested them. If you get good data to Leupold the dials will be on the money and the glass is very, very good. I've shot a lot of game with these. I have the 3-15 on a Tikka CTR and the 3-18 on a Remigton 5R, both .308's.


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You should check out one of these. It has a great hunting reticle with plenty of holdover, it's lightweight, and has great glass.

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Raz...&ref=plSrch

This is the right reticle.








are the 8, 16, etc. minutes of angle?



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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle?


my plan to hit stuff that far?


Kentucky windage is what I've been using. Worked out pretty good so far




Ok. I'm out.


I hope you don't have to track them too far, if at all.



I have BDC type reticles on one of my rifles. to be honest I never used them....if the bullet drop comes into play I hold a tad high and let it rip. sounds stupid but it has been working.

last year had to make a shot in a heavy quartering wind (don't know what the wind speed was but it was blowing my costas around on the ground) i'm guessing 30mph, target was 200 yards give or take.


held into the wind at the point of the shoulder and bullet hit where I wanted it too in the crease along the foreleg.



I know its extremely unscientific and probably not the best way considering todays technology but I've had an ability to make running shots and to accurately judge holdover.


I would love to learn to better use drop reticles though. I think its a great tool to have.


PM me if you want me to expand on it, again. It really is easy, and there is no guess in where to hold, based on distance.

This far?
Hold here>



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Step out of 1987 and listen since this is your lifetime gun. Your current scopes pretty much suck for glass and mechanicals

In the 2x10 world you can land around 20 oz

The next mid range stuff that youíre wanting will weigh 26-30 oz. 30 oz is a chunk.

And pretty much up from there in weight.

I spent more hours than believable scope hunting for filet taste and a sirloin budget. I am working on 3 builds right now. All 3 are handy midweights. I can easily make them top heavy but Iím trying to keep them balanced.

Your nicest glass and low weight is in the Leupold line , but if you have to spin a dial who knows if it will be on. I know youíre in 1987, but why not buy something that eliminates chances of your scope being knocked off? Especially on mountain hunts you go on.

You need to think about turrets because your south Texas sea level isnít your Colorado sea level.

Find a Japanese made scope and go. NF,NF shv, swfa, Bushnell elite.
One of those will have a usable reticle and glass will be better than any of the sucky glass you have.

Make your gun the best you can do, especially if this is he last youíll buy supposedly

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The Leupold pictured above weighs 19 ounces.


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How about a Burris veracity? They are supposed to be really easy too use.

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You an still get a LRHSi 3-18x from GAP for $750. A steal. I also have a 2-12x VX6 CDS that has been dead nutz on the money on my 7mag for 4 years now.

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Bushnell LRHS 4.5-18x44mm. 30mm tube

Has an illuminated red dot reticle in addition to fancy long range style reticle.

$900.00 ....


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