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ELD-X vs Barnes TSX #7203494
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It is advertised that the eld x will expand from 40 to 500 yards

how about the barnes tsx? anybody know what it is supposed to be best at?

I have had very good results with the Barnes TSX so far. The BC on the bullet I use is .404 which isnt too bad. Never had a deer go more than 5 steps using Barnes.

What say the guys with experience in the field with both bullets. Will the ELDX stand up to the proven and devastating effects that the Barnes TSX is capable of ? Or is it just hype. Is it worth buying a box and checking out this new bullet for hunting?


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Re: ELD-X vs Barnes TSX [Re: Bigfoot] #7203508
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Why 40-500 yards? Does it not open up at 39 yards or at 501 yards, is it not expanding. just curious. It depends on which bullet and how fast you are launching them at the muzzle. I have a customer who took a nice buck at 680+ yards with a 212 ELD-X in a 300 Win Mag. The bullet left a tennis ball size exit and dropped the buck in it's tracks. So, why put a distance on the bullet where it does or doesn't expand. There's way too many variables for that.

The Barnes TSX has a smaller hollow point, which requires more velocity to open up. The 2 main reasons Barnes went to a Tipped TSX is to increase the BC and have a larger hollow point behind the polymer tip to open up at lower velocities. The Barnes TSX needs a lot more velocity than most bullets to reliably open up. What speed that is depends on which bullet and how fast you are pushing it.

But there is almost 100% guarantee on the Barnes TSX you will get a pass through. They are designed to penetrate. To do this, they transfer less energy inside the target and pass through. Lead bullets will always transfer more energy and expand better than the equal weight solid copper bullet. IMO, they kill better.

I've had very good results with the ELD-X bullets so far, and had lots of good feed back on the ELD-X line of bullets. The 7mm 175 ELDX and the .308" 212 ELD-x are freakin' awesome. Very good rounds.

Sorry to be so direct, but the distance where a bullet will or won't open up makes no sense to me.



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Re: ELD-X vs Barnes TSX [Re: Bigfoot] #7203593
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I like regular bullets for deer. I donít push the velocity enough to feel like a need an all copper bullet.


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If it ain't broke, don't fix it-- sounds like you have a good thing going with that Barnes TSX. What distance do you generally find yourself at when deer hunting? Unless there is a need for a big heavy bullet to push a long way out I'd keep what you got with the Barnes.

I had really good results from a 145gr Barnes LRX (.284) on 4 deer this year from out to 411 yards-- all pass throughs, 3 DOA and 1 that was a lung shot and ran maybe 20 yards.

It was my first year shooting Barnes and I was very impressed at the performance and also the lack of meat damage compared to other bullets I'd used in the past.

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Ive got 5 boxes of the barnes 168 gr left so its time to start buying a few more boxes and the 178 gr ELDX precision hunter looks like a good round to switch to next.

I only have a 200 yard range where I shoot so at this time that would be my comfort zone.

But I am thinking Mule deer for this fall and that means I will have to extend my range a little.

That is why i am thinking about the ELD X

Thank you for the info Chad you are always helpful

However your curiosity about my statement "It is advertised that the eld x will expand from 40 to 500 yards' is just like it says from the advertiser so you will have to speak to them about why they made that comment.

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Re: ELD-X vs Barnes TSX [Re: Bigfoot] #7203619
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Originally Posted By: Bigfoot
But I am thinking Mule deer for this fall and that means I will have to extend my range a little.

That is why i am thinking about the ELD X


Yes, do it.

I've shot steel with the ELD-X out to 1500 yards, and have killed deer with it out to 285. It did a terrific job at both tasks.



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Re: ELD-X vs Barnes TSX [Re: Bigfoot] #7203620
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I donít think you can make a bad choice. My first and only mule deer was a really old big bodied deer. I shot him through both shoulders with a 150 Nosler Ballistic Tip from. 308. Distance was 150 yards and he dropped at the shot. A 168 or 178 is just mo betterr.


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There are Pros and Cons for each of them. Everyone's personal experience varies and does color our view on things.

Barnes TTSX tend to be very accurate and are tough. They tend to lose velocity fairly quickly and energy very quickly so they are not that good at extended ranges. They do tend to completely pass through the animal which may or may not be an issue. I had a negative experience with a massive-bodied Alberta mule deer. Multiple shots from 100 yards to point blank range with all of them behind the same shoulder. Not a whole lot of internal damage. I took a large-bodied whitetail the next day. Since the TTSX did not do well on the mule deer with a behind the shoulder shot, I just took a spine shot (~200 yards) on the whitetail and dropped it on the spot. For me personally, I will never use Barnes TTSX for hunting deer again. I would if hunting black/brown bear or smaller game where I want the hide to be in great shape.

Hornady ELD-X also tend to be very accurate and can kill game at extended ranges. They tend to dump a lot of their energy in the animal. I used this ammo on game as small as jack rabbits up to water buffalo (different calibers). Distance has been between 50-600+ yards. Nothing has taken more than a few steps. I've encountered one issue and that was on an axis buck with a 6.5 Creedmoor. He still was dead before he hit the ground. I have no qualms using this bullet while hunting most things. I would not use this round if I wanted the hide to be in great shape for smaller animals or or brown bear (coastal and interior) are present.

A box of Hornady is about $10 less than a box of the Barnes TTSX. Give it a go and see if your rifle likes it.

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I've heard others with similar experience. Some will tell you to place the Barnes on the shoulder for deer sized animals to keep them from running. Others swear they work fine on a lung shots. I like to neck and shoulder shots because I don't want to risk a rodeo. I'll give up a little blood shot meat to anchor an animal.


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I have had MANY (did I say many) hunters switch from a Barnes bullet to a lead bullet after poor performance from a Barnes. It is a good bullet for what it's specific use is. But the solid copper bullets have no comparison to a good lead bullet.



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Re: ELD-X vs Barnes TSX [Re: Bigfoot] #7203963
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I tried the Barnes bullets when they were still the X bullets before the grooves for pressure relief. That 300 Weatherby Magnum load did well on elk but have seen no need for them since then. I still prefer Partitions for elk but were too tough a bullet IMO for Pronghorn, yess it died from the shot but not impressively.

The other one I tried is in a 223, it worked but no better IMO than the 55 Gr Trophy Bonded or 60gr Partitions on deer and hogs.

Over all I will stick with lead core bullets from her on out and be happy. I agree with Chad the lead core bullets seem to preform better on game than the few all Copper bullets I have used.

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Originally Posted By: kmon1
I tried the Barnes bullets when they were still the X bullets before the grooves for pressure relief. That 300 Weatherby Magnum load did well on elk but have seen no need for them since then. I still prefer Partitions for elk but were too tough a bullet IMO for Pronghorn, yess it died from the shot but not impressively.

The other one I tried is in a 223, it worked but no better IMO than the 55 Gr Trophy Bonded or 60gr Partitions on deer and hogs.

Over all I will stick with lead core bullets from her on out and be happy. I agree with Chad the lead core bullets seem to preform better on game than the few all Copper bullets I have used.


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I prefer lead core bullets for medium sized game and the TSX for larger/tougher/dangerous game where penetration is a must.

Which is simply matching the bullet to the application.

That said, when I have used the TSX on sheep (because I had a grizzly tag), they performed just fine with normal shots to the boiler room. My Dall this past August was pretty devastated from a quartering-to shot, and the wound channel was significant. He went maybe 10 yards. My first ram back in 2006 dropped with one broadside shot.

Still, for deer only, I would go with the ELD-X.


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Thank you gentlemen. I will pick up a box and see how they do in my gun.


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For game up to and including zebra, wildebeest, etc, it's hard to go wrong with a Nosler accubond or partition. A partition works as designed every time IME.

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I use the 62gr barnes TSX in a AR-15 for the kids to shoot deer. Never lost one yet and they have killed more than a hand full but never past 150yds. Like most have identified already barnes is not the right application for long range shooting/hunting and they tend to leave excessive amounts of copper in the barrel after only a few firings.

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I once tried Barnes TSX back in the early days, it shot poorly and left lots of copper in my barrel, after extensive cleaning and never went back to Barnes. I have only been using cup / core bullets like Sierra, Noslers, Hornady and Bergers and shot well in all of my rifles. I mainly use Ballistic Tips, Accubonds and ELD-X for hunting applications only and you will not go wrong with them since they expand reliably at all ranges.

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