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For hunting out of a small box blind or pop-up. I don't like my barrel sticking 2 feet out the window when I'm trying to be discrete. This is a 26" barrel/long action, 22" barrel/Tikka action, and 16" barrel/TC Encore single shot. I'll take the shorty every time.




What's ya'lls favorite little gun?


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The last 4-5 years I have hunted with a Rem 700 16" 300 blk out shorty. It's not a rifle that will turn heads in deer camp about how magnum you are! But I kill a lot of crap with it. I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!



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My suppressor adds 10", but once you hunt suppressed that's the way you prefer to hunt. My 17" 7mm-08 A.I. is my favorite for most jobs. 16" LR-308 is "the sounder rifle".

I'm not concerned with maneuvering inside a box blind, I'm concerned with maneuvering within the cab of the truck. peep



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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The last 4-5 years I have hunted with a Rem 700 16" 300 blk out shorty. It's not a rifle that will turn heads in deer camp about how magnum you are! But I kill a lot of crap with it. I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!


I haven't shot a deer in 2 years, so I don't know how good I actually use it roflmao


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My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;

I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.

I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
My suppressor adds 10", but once you hunt suppressed that's the way you prefer to hunt. My 17" 7mm-08 A.I. is my favorite for most jobs. 16" LR-308 is "the sounder rifle".

I'm not concerned with maneuvering inside a box blind, I'm concerned with maneuvering within the cab of the truck. peep


I could put a suppressor on that TC and still be several inches shorter than a factory sporter rifle. I'll quit messing around and file my paperwork one of these days.


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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;

I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.

I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.


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Yes she did. Otherwise, I wouldn't have married the broad.


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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.


Let me know if you want some short barrel 308 ammo for it. I have developed some 308 short barrel ammo with 110, 125, 150 and 168 grain bullets to be optimized in the shorter barreled 308 rifles. I use a powder that gives more complete burn and to pick up some velocity for the shorter barrels.



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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;

I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.

I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.


How much is a 24c worth?

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I like my hunting rifles like I like my women; short, thick, and quiet.



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Did you sell your wife on the “smaller is better”?


Sold her, paid her to lie....same same.


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I like my hunting rifles like I like my women; short, thick, and quiet.





Nice. The last one is badazz.


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my handiest rifle is a 336 marlin.

My son has a handy Howa compact 7mm-08 with a 20" barrel that I like a lot too...handy little gun. The Remington model 7's were nice as well


I never have a problem with my regular sporter rifles with 22" barrels though. My 26" guns can get a little long inside the blind though


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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.

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Next year I’ll have a 16 inch barrel Thompson in 460XVR with suppressor. It’s going to be a 325 grain lead slinging beast.


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I love short little guns. My little 300BLK SBR is probably my favorite gun I own and is awesome for hunting with the thermal. It's a tad over 20" over all with the little micro stock on it.



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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.



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That Browning lever .308 is hard to beat for punch in a compact package.

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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.

If you're hunting with it, it's a hunting rifle. up

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Let me know if you want some short barrel 308 ammo for it. I have developed some 308 short barrel ammo with 110, 125, 150 and 168 grain bullets to be optimized in the shorter barreled 308 rifles. I use a powder that gives more complete burn and to pick up some velocity for the shorter barrels.



Is that powder included in these two comparisons?

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Cartridge          : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler PART SP 16329
Useable Case Capaci: 50.085 grain H2O = 3.252 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 16.0 inch = 406.4 mm


Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
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Alliant Reloder-15                 105.6     48.8     3.16    2721    96.0    62000   13146   0.833  
Hodgdon H4895                      101.8     47.0     3.05    2711    97.2    62000   12901   0.834  
Alliant AR-Comp                    100.8     45.0     2.92    2711   100.0    62000   11467   0.831  
Hodgdon H335                        92.6     46.7     3.02    2695    99.5    62000   12239   0.832  
IMR 8208 XBR                       100.2     46.3     3.00    2682    97.9    62000   12298   0.832  
Hodgdon VARGET                     107.7     48.1     3.12    2679    95.7    62000   12480   0.827  
IMR 4064                           108.6     47.4     3.07    2676    96.1    62000   12359   0.830  
Ramshot TAC                         99.3     49.4     3.20    2665    93.5    62000   12499   0.833  
Ramshot X-Terminator                96.9     47.8     3.10    2658    96.5    62000   12171   0.835  
IMR 4451 Enduron                   109.6     50.0     3.24    2654    91.0    62000   12399   0.828  
Hodgdon Benchmark                   98.9     45.0     2.91    2645    98.5    62000   11717   0.834  
Alliant Reloder-7                   89.7     40.1     2.60    2610   100.0    62000   10487   0.845  
IMR 4227                            85.6     36.2     2.34    2563   100.0    62000    9640   0.832  
Accurate 4100                       70.2     33.5     2.17    2468   100.0    62000    8494   0.850  
Maxam CSB 1                         78.9     21.4     1.38    2053   100.0    62000    5281   0.892  
Hodgdon Clays                       85.0     18.8     1.22    1986   100.0    62000    5029   0.892  




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Cartridge          : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler PART SP 16329
Useable Case Capaci: 50.085 grain H2O = 3.252 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm


Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
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Alliant Reloder-15                 105.6     48.8     3.16    2986    98.6    62000    8161   1.065    
Hodgdon H4895                      101.8     47.0     3.05    2972    99.3    62000    7963   1.068  
Hodgdon H335                        92.6     46.7     3.02    2942   100.0    62000    7403   1.067  
Alliant AR-Comp                    100.8     45.0     2.92    2941   100.0    62000    6838   1.066  
Hodgdon VARGET                     107.7     48.1     3.12    2935    98.4    62000    7797   1.063  
IMR 8208 XBR                       100.2     46.3     3.00    2933    99.6    62000    7549   1.069   
IMR 4064                           108.6     47.4     3.07    2930    98.6    62000    7664   1.067  
Ramshot TAC                         99.3     49.4     3.20    2924    96.8    62000    7866   1.071  
IMR 4451 Enduron                   109.6     50.0     3.24    2913    94.7    62000    7868   1.067  
Ramshot X-Terminator                96.9     47.8     3.10    2910    98.8    62000    7554   1.074  
Hodgdon Benchmark                   98.9     45.0     2.91    2887    99.8    62000    7175   1.075  
Alliant Reloder-7                   89.7     40.1     2.60    2829   100.0    62000    6302   1.089  
IMR 4227                            85.6     36.2     2.34    2769   100.0    62000    5812   1.082  
Accurate 4100                       70.2     33.5     2.17    2657   100.0    62000    5126   1.110  
Maxam CSB 1                         78.9     21.4     1.38    2195   100.0    62000    3212   1.205  
Hodgdon Clays                       85.0     18.8     1.22    2126   100.0    62000    3091   1.216  



Amongst the powders in these results, there is a bit of leapfrogging, but nothing significant.





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