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One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- #7198158 06/15/18 02:26 AM
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We are no longer competing with just Texans for lease space. I shot a movie of my friends from Denver landing to quail hunt in Falfurrias . This was a weekday, not a weekend --- I scanned the airport ----- I expected to see a lot of single engine and twin engine planes---- nope,,, they were ALL jets. I was shocked to see what planes were there. Guys with jets don't care what a lease costs. Here is the movie if anyone wants to see it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t86v1cyusm1yoz5/airport%20falfurious.MOV?dl=0

Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33] #7198372 06/15/18 01:55 PM
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Buddy of mine lives outside Encino.. Said that airport and Hebronville are stacked w private jets all during Christmas and Jan weekends....

Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33] #7198434 06/15/18 02:57 PM
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this has been going on for a long time, it isn't anything new.

Supply and demand is the issue, not the private planes flying down to texas. more and more places been torn up by drilling and O&G production, so the number of good places has dwindled, thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.

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A guy on our lease has paid up front the whole lease fee for two spots for two years now. I have yet to meet him 'cause he hasn't bothered to come out; 'just sends his son with another lease member and his son. A lotta stupid rich money floating around out there in the most fortunate nation in history (and it's drug pushing, corrupt neighbor to its south).


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Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?

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Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?


2 out of our 6. I make up for them not showing up. I ain't complaining.

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this tells me one of the following

1. most working Texans are poor/broke
2. they have their priorities somewhere else and not willing to pay a premium to enjoy the outdoors
3. stuck in 70s with their wishes for lease price
4. demand too much but only willing to pay too little

fact - a guy that can afford to buy 1000 acre does not need your
$5000/year membership

Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33] #7198641 06/15/18 05:34 PM
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look at what an average car cost in the 70's and 80's, ranged from 3500 (70's) to 7-10K (80's). and I read what some people paid for leases then (500-1000 dollars). now take inflation into account, and a car averages close to 30K, so a lease should be in the range of about low 3000 to a high around 10000.

These numbers seem about in line with what I see on here. I realize there are a lot of higher end leases that aren;t advert'd on here, theÜ probably go a lot higher, but your basic lease for 3000-4000 pp is in line in my opinion. things are just more expensive these days, including land.

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Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?

Yep.....had a high dollar lease near Hebbronville. Guy paid for TWO spots for two years in a row and never showed up to hunt....ever. 24K$ in two years. Craziest thing I ever saw.

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Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?

Yep.....had a high dollar lease near Hebbronville. Guy paid for TWO spots for two years in a row and never showed up to hunt....ever. 24K$ in two years. Craziest thing I ever saw.


he needed some business write-offs ... some folks are blessed that way

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theres a lot of people that bite off more than they can chew...or they like to tell folks "I have a deer lease at XXXX"

I don't understand spending that kind of money to never show up, but to each their own. Crazy!

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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.



that's not how that works

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Some people have more money than I do...I am ok with that up


Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: Homer Jay] #7199082 06/16/18 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Homer Jay
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thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.



that's not how that works


Huh? How does it work then?

If supply is not keeping up with demand, the supply is low and demand is high.

The only way this wouldnít work is if less people were seeking leases, and demand was going down for leases while supply was going down as well.

My assumptions here are that lease spots are less due to more O&G production on properties so less property is available to lease, while the same number of people are seeking leases (although I think itís safe to argue more people are seeking leases)

We saw the same thing happen with gas after the hurricane last year. Gas supply dropped and demand stayed level. Thus demand was high but supply was low. I know hoarders had some help In that fiasco, but the simple economic concept is the same.

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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
theres a lot of people that bite off more than they can chew...or they like to tell folks "I have a deer lease at XXXX"

I don't understand spending that kind of money to never show up, but to each their own. Crazy!


It's usually a little while after they buy "the plane". THAT usually separates the house of cards pretenders from the truly well off. Me, I like life as simple (and fun) as I can make it. A lot of idiots associate "things" with "fun". 'Doesn't really work that way.


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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
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thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.



that's not how that works


Huh? How does it work then?

If supply is not keeping up with demand, the supply is low and demand is high.

The only way this wouldnít work is if less people were seeking leases, and demand was going down for leases while supply was going down as well.

My assumptions here are that lease spots are less due to more O&G production on properties so less property is available to lease, while the same number of people are seeking leases (although I think itís safe to argue more people are seeking leases)

We saw the same thing happen with gas after the hurricane last year. Gas supply dropped and demand stayed level. Thus demand was high but supply was low. I know hoarders had some help In that fiasco, but the simple economic concept is the same.



If supply goes down, then price, not demand increase. If there were 100 leases and 50 people wanting to get on those leases then prices stay relatively low. If the same 50 people are competing for only 25 leases, prices increase while demand has remained the same.

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Txhogslayer, we are arguing the same point. If supply is low and demand is there, then prices will stay up. If supply goes lower and demand stays the same, the prices will go up. If supply is there but demand is higher, then prices go up.

My point was that due to O&G tearing up a lot of Texas over the last decade, which we have to agree happened to a lot of north and west Texas) supply of good leases went down. Even if demand stayed the same as it was back in the 90ís, just the loss of supply means the equation swings to the demand side and prices should go up.

I would argue there is even more demand now than in the 90ís (maybe not, but it isnít essential to the point) which further swings the equation to the demand side. But the point that it is a issue of supply and demand is for sure a reason why prices are going higher. Perhaps I was too simplistic in my original post.

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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
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thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.



that's not how that works


Huh? How does it work then?

If supply is not keeping up with demand, the supply is low and demand is high.

The only way this wouldnít work is if less people were seeking leases, and demand was going down for leases while supply was going down as well.

My assumptions here are that lease spots are less due to more O&G production on properties so less property is available to lease, while the same number of people are seeking leases (although I think itís safe to argue more people are seeking leases)

We saw the same thing happen with gas after the hurricane last year. Gas supply dropped and demand stayed level. Thus demand was high but supply was low. I know hoarders had some help In that fiasco, but the simple economic concept is the same.


No. Supply does not rise or fall because of changing demand. Demand does not rise or fall because of changing supply. Demand and supply rise or fall because of changes in price. When price is high demand is low. When price is low demand is high. When price is high supply is high. When price is low supply is low. Supply and demand have an inverse relationship independent of one another.


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Demand increases ever year, because 500,000 people a year move to Texas.

Supply increases as prices rise. Most folks wonít lease land for $2/acre, more folks will lease land for $12-15/acre.

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I think Maximus nailed it. In 1980, there were 14 million people in Texas. Now we have 29 million. Simple discussion on supply and demand.

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Most of the California people that move to Texas are not hunters.

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Another factor is because of oil and gas a lot of LOs have simply stopped leasing. They donít want the headaches of dealing with hunters and they dayum sure donít need the money. I know of several GOOD LF sotex ranches that have either stopped leasing or sell a limited amount of deer to a outfitter and family/friends are the only other hunters.

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The proliferation and saturation of hunting shows, hunting expos and marketing the past 25+ years also have many landowners managing their ranches more than ever for 150" bucks and even those that don't still charging like they do

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the reason it costs so much to hunt is because its labeled as a sport and considered a luxury instead of a necessity , i hunt and shoot as many as im legally able to if im lucky enough, to put meat in the freezer to feed me and my family as long as the meat holds out , alot of hunters hunt for the sport of collecting a trophy and they eat very little or dont even eat the meat ,they either give it all away or let it freezer burn. when society and the government label rights and necessities as a sport or privilege then just a monetary value is placed on it and the highest bidder wins.

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Originally Posted By: jimfred
the reason it costs so much to hunt is because its labeled as a sport and considered a luxury instead of a necessity , i hunt and shoot as many as im legally able to if im lucky enough, to put meat in the freezer to feed me and my family as long as the meat holds out , alot of hunters hunt for the sport of collecting a trophy and they eat very little or dont even eat the meat ,they either give it all away or let it freezer burn. when society and the government label rights and necessities as a sport or privilege then just a monetary value is placed on it and the highest bidder wins.


If you are hunting for subsistence you are doing something wrong. No one who can afford to hunt should have to rely upon it to feed his/her family.

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