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How does everyone feel about Guided waterfowl hunts on public water? is there a market for it? I guide on private waters but I thought about charging $150 a person and do some Public hunting. I have the boat and the whole nine yards


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Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko] #7166122
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I'd bet good money there is a market for it, especially for people new to the sport trying to learn. Just be prepared to have some of those people trying to use your spots.


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o yeah that's just part of it for sure.


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Guiding on public in of itself is fine. But sometimes guides get personal as if they deserve a place more than public Joe sense they are trying to make a living and satisfy clients. I've seriously duck hunted now for 4 years and from what I've seen out there I'd hate to try to make a run of it on public land. A well known duck guide who sometimes post here now hunts far west tx and Ok private. He was well known to some lakes to our east. I don't think there's any reason not to think that move was because duck dynasty guys and lots of mud boats out there now....they can get to where once did.

If you do it I's stick to one on one guide service....its a helluva lot easier to take 1 limit on public than 3 or more!

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Unless you are teaching a 'newbie' I don't think it would be worth it for you. If I was going to pay for a guided hunt myself I don't want to fight public crowds and would rather hunt on private water.

The only area where I think it would be worth it is down on the coast where there is a lot of real estate.

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i guide some private hunts on private land, and personally I would not mess with it. As a guide, I try to put hunters on the best absolute experience possible. This day and time that would not be possible the majority of the time on tx public waters. It would not sit well with me personally to be accepting money from hunters for a hunt, and have other hunters that are close enough(within 700 yds minimal) to flare ducks we are working with their shots. Not to mention that the overall number of wintering ducks on texas lakes in not very good. Yeah I know everyone will say that it part of public hunting, but I would not do it. I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.

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Originally Posted By: BDB
Guiding on public in of itself is fine. But sometimes guides get personal as if they deserve a place more than public Joe sense they are trying to make a living and satisfy clients. I've seriously duck hunted now for 4 years and from what I've seen out there I'd hate to try to make a run of it on public land. A well known duck guide who sometimes post here now hunts far west tx and Ok private. He was well known to some lakes to our east. I don't think there's any reason not to think that move was because duck dynasty guys and lots of mud boats out there now....they can get to where once did.

If you do it I's stick to one on one guide service....its a helluva lot easier to take 1 limit on public than 3 or more!


Your first two sentences make a great point.


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Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: woodduckhunter] #7169009
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Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.


That is an outrageous overstep of states' rights and I can't believe a fellow hunter and amateur guide would advocate for that.

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Originally Posted By: Exbellicus
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I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.


That is an outrageous overstep of states' rights and I can't believe a fellow hunter and amateur guide would advocate for that.


I don’t think he is out of bounds for saying that. I like that model. The phrase “for monetary gain” being the key for me.

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Originally Posted By: Heisman25g
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I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.


That is an outrageous overstep of states' rights and I can't believe a fellow hunter and amateur guide would advocate for that.


I don’t think he is out of bounds for saying that. I like that model. The phrase “for monetary gain” being the key for me.


How is that any different than fishing guides using public water for monetary gains? Getting real close to ruining a lot of livelihoods.

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Well for one, when you fish, you aren’t using guns. I’m just one person but I see that as a pretty big difference.

In my humble opinion, comparing a fishing guide to a hunting guide is like comparing apples to oranges. It is two different things.

Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko] #7169237
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I know if you ask TPWD about guiding on public "land" they will tell you it's illegal. Never asked about the legal definition of "public land" or if it includes water surface within public land. Ask and see what they say. Then deep within different water body controlling authority rules some if not all are going to have rules related to commercial activities. I imagine public guiding violates a rule or law of some sort on many lakes already. IMHO it is just a nest of bees no one dares stir up.

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There ain't much public land in Texas. What we call public is corps, a water district, type 2. There are guides that run out of about any "public" water in Texas. To claim it's illegal would be a stretch. If it is illegal the game wardens sure don't know it.

As to the op. I can't even enjoy hunting much public in Texas without the stress of meeting the expectations of clients.

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how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters?

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Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: woodduckhunter] #7169768
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Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters?


This is exactly how I feel. Very well put.

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Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters?


So if the state does not own, control them wouldn't it be bit of a step for it to be a state law against it?

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Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
... But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? ...


How does this differ from Uber/Lyft drivers using public roads for monetary gain?

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Originally Posted By: ducknbass
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how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters?


So if the state does not own, control them wouldn't it be bit of a step for it to be a state law against it?


State owns the game like deer and turkey. Until they migrate out of here confused2

This thread is concerning....do I hunt hunt public? I've bragged for 4 years about being a macho public hunter! hammer

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Originally Posted By: LuckyDucker
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... But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? ...


How does this differ from Uber/Lyft drivers using public roads for monetary gain?


They pay for the ability to do so via registration of said vehicle.

And before you go there, a hunting license isn’t the same as vehicle registration.

First requirement; guides should be able to prove a schedule C, EIN or tax ID.

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Originally Posted By: ducknbass
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how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters?


So if the state does not own, control them wouldn't it be bit of a step for it to be a state law against it?


If you want to get technical, then that’s would be federal controlled waters....

I personally think every public water guide in Texas should have to have an upto date six pack at the very least.

If you aren’t a legal captain shouldn’t be able to “guide”

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-----Original Message-----
> From: TPWD@prodweb2.tpwd.state.tx.us
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:41 PM
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> Subject: Web Site - E-MAIL REPLY REQUESTED - Hunting on Public Lands in Texas
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> Comment or Question:
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> Is it legal for professional hunting guides to charge money to
> take people hunting on public land like the LBJ grasslands here
> in Texas? also what kind of insurance do these guides need to
> have in case of an accident? Also is there some kind of permit
> these guides need to have in order to do business in Texas?


> From: hunt <hunt@tpwd.state.tx.us>
> Date: February 24, 2011 7:40:17 AM CST
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> They are unable to do so since they would not be able to that
>since a Hunting Lease license is required of a landowner or
>landowner's agent who leases hunting rights to another person
>on property they own or control for pay or other consideration.
>The license must be displayed on the property.
> The guide is not the landowner or landowner's agent
>since they do not own the property nor lease it since it is
>open to all the public to utilize. They also would not be able
>to acquire a Hunting Lease license due to the open statement.
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Ah well guess they can just charge $200 for gas money to their guests instead.

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Originally Posted By: Sniper John
-----Original Message-----
> From: TPWD@prodweb2.tpwd.state.tx.us
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:41 PM
> To:
> Subject: Web Site - E-MAIL REPLY REQUESTED - Hunting on Public Lands in Texas
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> *** E-mail reply requested!
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> Comment or Question:
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> Is it legal for professional hunting guides to charge money to
> take people hunting on public land like the LBJ grasslands here
> in Texas? also what kind of insurance do these guides need to
> have in case of an accident? Also is there some kind of permit
> these guides need to have in order to do business in Texas?


> From: hunt <hunt@tpwd.state.tx.us>
> Date: February 24, 2011 7:40:17 AM CST
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> Subject: RE: Web Site - E-MAIL REPLY REQUESTED - Hunting
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> They are unable to do so since they would not be able to that
>since a Hunting Lease license is required of a landowner or
>landowner's agent who leases hunting rights to another person
>on property they own or control for pay or other consideration.
>The license must be displayed on the property.
> The guide is not the landowner or landowner's agent
>since they do not own the property nor lease it since it is
>open to all the public to utilize. They also would not be able
>to acquire a Hunting Lease license due to the open statement.
>
>
>


Grasslands the very small % of actual public property in Texas.

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how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters?


So if the state does not own, control them wouldn't it be bit of a step for it to be a state law against it?


State owns the game like deer and turkey. Until they migrate out of here confused2

This thread is concerning....do I hunt hunt public? I've bragged for 4 years about being a macho public hunter! hammer


This is migratory forum. State does not own any waterfowl or migratory game bird.

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