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U.S. Marines Are Getting a New Sniper Rifle #7140403
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The U.S. Marine Corps is replacing its existing sniper rifles with a newer model that fires a heavier, longer-range bullet. The new Mark 13 Mod 7 sniper rifle, a favorite of Navy SEALs is replacing the older M40 series of rifles. The result is a more accurate rifle with the potential to hit targets at nearly three quarters of a mile.
The M40 series of sniper rifles has served the Marine Corps for more than 50 years. Originally introduced during the Vietnam War, the Marine Corps purchased commercial Remington Model 40X bolt-action varmint rifles with heavy barrels, slapped on a Redfield 3-9x variable power scope, and gave them the designation M40. The M40 served in the Vietnam War and every conflict since then, progressively upgraded with new features such as a new Remington 700 action, fiberglass stocks, new optics, and other shooting accessories.
Despite the upgrades, the M40 series was limited by the ballistics of the .308 Winchester round. Although an effective hunting and military round, a.308 round rapidly loses energy after 700 yards. At 600 yards, a sniper armed with a M40 can expect a bullet to drop 105 inches short of the target, requiring upward compensation of 105 inches to remain on target. At 800 yards the drop balloons to 228 inches, and at 1,000 yards the drop is 421 inches. This loss of energy also affects wind drift, with .308 requiring 53 inches of wind correction in a five mile-per-hour wind to hit a target at 1,000 yards. The M40 seriesí maximum effective range is about 1,000 yards.

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There are still units shooting M16s and M4s came out a long time ago so I doubt the majority of units will see these anytime soon.


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$4.3MM bucks for less than 400 rifles? Did i read that right?

The young Army Captain that was here recently said that a lot of the old style M16ís are still in service. And he personally didnít yet have the new service handgun.

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They're allegedly being issued with NF ATACR scopes, so that's another $3k-ish on top of the rifle price, or maybe $4k-$5k per gun depending on what the conditions of the contract were.

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I'm glad they are going to the 300 Win Mag!

"The Marines plan to purchase 346 Mark 13 Mod 7 rifles for $4.3 million". That's $12,427 per rifle!! Somethings not right.



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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I'm glad they are going to the 300 Win Mag!

"The Marines plan to purchase 346 Mark 13 Mod 7 rifles for $4.3 million". That's $12,427 per rifle!! Somethings not right.
they must have paid a lot for extended warranties on each lol


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Originally Posted By: SapperTitan
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I'm glad they are going to the 300 Win Mag!

"The Marines plan to purchase 346 Mark 13 Mod 7 rifles for $4.3 million". That's $12,427 per rifle!! Somethings not right.
they must have paid a lot for extended warranties on each lol


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Wonder if they will run the nightforce t3 combos or stick with their Schmidt's and Premier's?


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I'm glad they are going to the 300 Win Mag!

"The Marines plan to purchase 346 Mark 13 Mod 7 rifles for $4.3 million". That's $12,427 per rifle!! Somethings not right.


And that is government spending.

Lower level, the same happens. The city spent $250,000 on a station remodel. Those of us that have been in construction for a long time said "yeah, that remodel is really worth $50,000. And the $250k end product is an absolute joke.



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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I'm glad they are going to the 300 Win Mag!

"The Marines plan to purchase 346 Mark 13 Mod 7 rifles for $4.3 million". That's $12,427 per rifle!! Somethings not right.


And that is government spending.

Lower level, the same happens. The city spent $250,000 on a station remodel. Those of us that have been in construction for a long time said "yeah, that remodel is really worth $50,000. And the $250k end product is an absolute joke.


Can't speak for city funds, but I spent most of my career in the USAF working the darker side of things. There are lots of development programs that do not need to be common knowledge for every freshman congressman. The way those often get funded is by paying $200 for a toilet seat, or $500 for a screwdriver. Back then a lot of contracts had a line item for "Overhead" that was a general fund type expense, but often got transferred to other things. I worked a program one time that got it's funding out of an Army contract. When the Army failed to impress the congress with their progress on that program, their funding was frozen... our over-sight folks had to scramble a bit to get our funding restored.

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I believe this is not just for the rifle, its the scope, mounts, Cleaning kit and Pelican hard case. Probably some other things I left out.
The rifles are built by Naval Surface Warfare Center. Maybe the Navy is trying to make a few dollars on the side.LOL


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$12,247

$4000 rifle (being generous)

$2500 scope (military discount for large order)

$150 Pelican (large order again)

$400 scope mount

= $7050

What covers the other $5,197 ?



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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What covers the other $5,197 ?


Fishing trips, probably. Thatís what that kind of money buys out here.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I'm glad they are going to the 300 Win Mag!

"The Marines plan to purchase 346 Mark 13 Mod 7 rifles for $4.3 million". That's $12,427 per rifle!! Somethings not right.


And that is government spending.

Lower level, the same happens. The city spent $250,000 on a station remodel. Those of us that have been in construction for a long time said "yeah, that remodel is really worth $50,000. And the $250k end product is an absolute joke.
in Austin the city government will spend millions to do a study for 1 million dollar project hammer


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
$12,247

$4000 rifle (being generous)

$2500 scope (military discount for large order)

$150 Pelican (large order again)

$400 scope mount

= $7050

What covers the other $5,197 ?


Paperwork.

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Part of the deal in these pricing are things like qa/qc and other compliance. We as a nation are asking young men to do some highly dangerous things with a tool that can literally save lives. These stringent criteria and the testing dollars are sometimes required to ensure these standards are met all cost dollars.

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More jokingly. Some of u a holes get up to 7-9k real fast on a rifle system. I don't know in all cases but I read an article on the large frame ar 308 by knights. What teal described was the case for that rifle, literally everything but ammo was included. Oh yes, that one came with a can I believe. I wonder if this new 300wm comes with one.

A tricked out 300wm similar to this is on my fantasy, but one day attainable, gun list.

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Part of the deal in these pricing are things like qa/qc and other compliance. We as a nation are asking young men to do some highly dangerous things with a tool that can literally save lives. These stringent criteria and the testing dollars are sometimes required to ensure these standards are met all cost dollars.


But yet again, the private sector does a better job than government. There is no mystery, or any R and D that the government needs to do with the .300 Win Mag, it has all be done, by the private sector, decades before, and continually since inception.

I read an article about it last year, I think. All this "earth shattering news" the government discovered about bullet weights and what powders to use in the .300 Win Mag. And the whole time reading I was waiting on the earth shattering news. Hunters and long range shooters knew all that many years before they "discovered" it. And even, with the parameters they were living within, I'd put Chad up against them with his .300 Win Mag knowledge every day of the week and twice on Sunday. In the end, he will win, farther, faster, more energy, and more precise shooting.

As per usual, the government is way behind, but we tax payers have to foot the bill for them to catch up.



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It was in American Rifleman, the article I read anyway. It was exactly that, the military discovering the treasure of the 300 WM. Now, correct me where I'm wrong but the Mk 13 is on a Stiller action which is an R700 clone. The M40 is a 700 as well. So, at the heart of it the new rifle is a caliber change, right or wrong?

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It is or at least the last iteration was on the stiller. I believe seals and socom went 300norma now.


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I'm glad they are going to the 300 Win Mag!

"The Marines plan to purchase 346 Mark 13 Mod 7 rifles for $4.3 million". That's $12,427 per rifle!! Somethings not right.
they must have paid a lot for extended warranties on each lol


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There's a lot of ways to run up a bill, not only spare parts, but spare parts on hand for 30+ years, all the lawyers involved on both sides, all the BS red tape, BS govt meetings, travel, initial testing demo costs, tons of things drive these up

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Part of the deal in these pricing are things like qa/qc and other compliance. We as a nation are asking young men to do some highly dangerous things with a tool that can literally save lives. These stringent criteria and the testing dollars are sometimes required to ensure these standards are met all cost dollars.


But yet again, the private sector does a better job than government. There is no mystery, or any R and D that the government needs to do with the .300 Win Mag, it has all be done, by the private sector, decades before, and continually since inception.

I read an article about it last year, I think. All this "earth shattering news" the government discovered about bullet weights and what powders to use in the .300 Win Mag. And the whole time reading I was waiting on the earth shattering news. Hunters and long range shooters knew all that many years before they "discovered" it. And even, with the parameters they were living within, I'd put Chad up against them with his .300 Win Mag knowledge every day of the week and twice on Sunday. In the end, he will win, farther, faster, more energy, and more precise shooting.

As per usual, the government is way behind, but we tax payers have to foot the bill for them to catch up.


I don't know man. No disrespect intended to anybody, but our best are damn good. They shoot the platform they are supplied with a lot and milk it for all it's worth. They know it inside out. They Operate in an arena where if they miss, their target returns fire. Going to the range and shooting spots for fun does not compare. Although overpriced, the new sniper rifle our marines are purchasing is top shelf. Topped with a NF and Horus reticle will give them ability to dial or quickly hold elevation and wind. When they get it in their hands, it will not take our boys long to master the new platform. Anyone who can beat our best at their game, is elite among world class snipers.


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Part of the deal in these pricing are things like qa/qc and other compliance. We as a nation are asking young men to do some highly dangerous things with a tool that can literally save lives. These stringent criteria and the testing dollars are sometimes required to ensure these standards are met all cost dollars.


But yet again, the private sector does a better job than government. There is no mystery, or any R and D that the government needs to do with the .300 Win Mag, it has all be done, by the private sector, decades before, and continually since inception.

I read an article about it last year, I think. All this "earth shattering news" the government discovered about bullet weights and what powders to use in the .300 Win Mag. And the whole time reading I was waiting on the earth shattering news. Hunters and long range shooters knew all that many years before they "discovered" it. And even, with the parameters they were living within, I'd put Chad up against them with his .300 Win Mag knowledge every day of the week and twice on Sunday. In the end, he will win, farther, faster, more energy, and more precise shooting.

As per usual, the government is way behind, but we tax payers have to foot the bill for them to catch up.


I don't know man. No disrespect intended to anybody, but our best are damn good. They shoot the platform they are supplied with a lot and milk it for all it's worth. They know it inside out. They Operate in an arena where if they miss, their target returns fire. Going to the range and shooting spots for fun does not compare. Although overpriced, the new sniper rifle our marines are purchasing is top shelf. Topped with a NF and Horus reticle will give them ability to dial or quickly hold elevation and wind. When they get it in their hands, it will not take our boys long to master the new platform. Anyone who can beat our best at their game, is elite among world class snipers.


Not to take away from what they do or can do the big branches (ie non sf) practice and shoot very little in comparison to team guys and are far less efficient.


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Part of the deal in these pricing are things like qa/qc and other compliance. We as a nation are asking young men to do some highly dangerous things with a tool that can literally save lives. These stringent criteria and the testing dollars are sometimes required to ensure these standards are met all cost dollars.


But yet again, the private sector does a better job than government. There is no mystery, or any R and D that the government needs to do with the .300 Win Mag, it has all be done, by the private sector, decades before, and continually since inception.

I read an article about it last year, I think. All this "earth shattering news" the government discovered about bullet weights and what powders to use in the .300 Win Mag. And the whole time reading I was waiting on the earth shattering news. Hunters and long range shooters knew all that many years before they "discovered" it. And even, with the parameters they were living within, I'd put Chad up against them with his .300 Win Mag knowledge every day of the week and twice on Sunday. In the end, he will win, farther, faster, more energy, and more precise shooting.

As per usual, the government is way behind, but we tax payers have to foot the bill for them to catch up.


I don't know man. No disrespect intended to anybody, but our best are damn good. They shoot the platform they are supplied with a lot and milk it for all it's worth. They know it inside out. They Operate in an arena where if they miss, their target returns fire. Going to the range and shooting spots for fun does not compare. Although overpriced, the new sniper rifle our marines are purchasing is top shelf. Topped with a NF and Horus reticle will give them ability to dial or quickly hold elevation and wind. When they get it in their hands, it will not take our boys long to master the new platform. Anyone who can beat our best at their game, is elite among world class snipers.


Not to take away from what they do or can do the big branches (ie non sf) practice and shoot very little in comparison to team guys and are far less efficient.


Yup.

Shot against Army Snipers before. They did well, in a pool of 120 shooters. Placed in the mid 50's I believe. Showed up with their .308's the first year, and their .300 Win Mags the second. The second year didn't gain them a wide margin of a higher standing.

Not taking anything away from them. They have to sneak in, endure brutal conditions, and zero creature comforts. They have to be observers and reporters for days on end. And yes, their targets might shoot back. But in this thread, we are talking ballistics, and shooting.



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No, we are talking about the new battle weapon that is being purchased for our marine snipers, at a staggering per unit cost, to protect American soldiers from long range. Then you took the discussion to civilian target shooters somehow being superior to our US Marine Corp snipers, which I find offensive.


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