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Is 100 FPS gain worth less accuracy? #7099191
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Tested out a new load for my 6.8 today. It was averaging 100 FPS faster than my usual load, but a couple 10th’s of an inch less accurate. 115 Noslers with 30 grains of 8208 XBR averages 2450 FPS, while 115 Noslers with 27.7 grains of AA2200 averages 2550.

On a side note; using magnum primers helps accuracy.

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I can't imagine that a "couple of tenths" more accuracy will ever be noticed in the field.

on the other hand, I don't think you would ever notice 100 fps difference in the field, either.

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Would that small of a gain be noticeable when it comes to bullet drop or wind?

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Originally Posted By: tenyearsgone
Would that small of a gain be noticeable when it comes to bullet drop or wind?


Noticeable could be, but inside 200 yards not enough to worry about IMO.

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I wouldn’t worry about a “couple tenths” on an inch. Take the 100 FPS.


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It depends on what you are doing with the rifle and how much accuracy you need. In my loading most times accuracy trumps speed within reason.


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I'd nearly always take the accuracy. You can correct for the speed, but you can't make a gun shoot straighter than the load will allow.

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How many groups. If 5 or so groups averaged slightly bigger than numerous of my normal load then I might stay with my original. If it just one group then I gonna take the speed and hope I get better results as I use it more.


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I shoot hogs with my 6.8 and within 150 yards. That 100 FPS gives better energy transfer, I'd rather have that than a few tenths, especially after that first has em runnin. It really depends on what you are doing with the load.

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I’m not sure if this is 3 or 4 shots. One thing I found is this gun is very picky with powder charge. Usually there’s a perfect charge of a particular powder that gives me great groups over a range. This one is awesome or horrible.


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Originally Posted By: DStroud
How many groups. If 5 or so groups averaged slightly bigger than numerous of my normal load then I might stay with my original. If it just one group then I gonna take the speed and hope I get better results as I use it more.


Just one group.

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Unless you’re shooting mice the effective range of the 6.8 would lead me to take the speed every time. Keep the old load for target and bragging rights but for pig/deer size game the speed will trump even .5 worth of accuracy in that caliber in my opinion.

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Originally Posted By: wp75169
Unless you’re shooting mice the effective range of the 6.8 would lead me to take the speed every time. Keep the old load for target and bragging rights but for pig/deer size game the speed will trump even .5 worth of accuracy in that caliber in my opinion.


I agree with you. A lot of people talk about long range hunting with a 6.8, but .270 it isn't. I know they share .270 bullets.

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Yeah if it's for short range hunting and the accuracy difference isn't monumental, then take the speed.

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I'm going to pick the one that goes where I tell it to every time.

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Originally Posted By: tenyearsgone
I’m not sure if this is 3 or 4 shots. One thing I found is this gun is very picky with powder charge. Usually there’s a perfect charge of a particular powder that gives me great groups over a range. This one is awesome or horrible.



I thought you were in the .1 MOA category? That's not .1 MOA!



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You wanted a pic of this load’s group. The whole thread is about this load being faster, but less accurate. Reading is paramount.

I know you’re reloading Jesus, but you could be a lot less hostile to those also producing good loads.

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I was wanting to see those .1 moa groups that you tout about. You "talk" (or keyboard in this case) like all your ammo shoots under the .7 moa and your best load is .1 moa. I am challenging you to this fact head on. A simple one time 3 shot group does not make a rifle a .1 moa rifle. A blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while.

Ok, sure, I may know my way around the reloading room. And I also have a college education, so I understand reading comprehension. The most important thing you are not understanding, is I have MANY years of experience in load development at the gun range, shooting competitions, and being a range officer. I know what it takes to have a "system" (rifle, ammo, shooter ability) to have a very accurate set up, especially sub 1/2 moa accuracy.

The internet warriors that "claim" they have some rifle shooting .X moa groups for a once in a life time 3 shot group of .1 moa accuracy, does NOT make a "system" capable of .1 moa accuracy. Sure, it may shoot good for 1- 3 shot group, but it's not .1 moa consistent "system".

If you are claiming this, I want to see it in person. If you can shoot your 6.8 SPC, AR-15 in a 5 shot group of .2 moa (I'll even double your accuracy claim for you) at 100 yards in a controlled environment, I will pay your full travel expenses to come from Katy, TX up to Wolfe City, TX (where I shoot), plus hotel stay and gas. Then, I want to wager on the results to an amount acceptable for the both of us.

.2 moa= .209" group center to center, or .486" from outside edge to outside edge for a 6.8, .277" bullet, 5 shot group.

When are you coming? Otherwise, you're just another "internet warrior" who sits behind a f'in keyboard spouting [censored] out.



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Yes, I would have to see the rest of the groups before any comments could be made. Let me dig through my targets, I think I can find 1, 1 hole group.

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I was wanting to see those .1 moa groups that you tout about. You "talk" (or keyboard in this case) like all your ammo shoots under the .7 moa and your best load is .1 moa. I am challenging you to this fact head on. A simple one time 3 shot group does not make a rifle a .1 moa rifle. A blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while.

Ok, sure, I may know my way around the reloading room. And I also have a college education, so I understand reading comprehension. The most important thing you are not understanding, is I have MANY years of experience in load development at the gun range, shooting competitions, and being a range officer. I know what it takes to have a "system" (rifle, ammo, shooter ability) to have a very accurate set up, especially sub 1/2 moa accuracy.

The internet warriors that "claim" they have some rifle shooting .X moa groups for a once in a life time 3 shot group of .1 moa accuracy, does NOT make a "system" capable of .1 moa accuracy. Sure, it may shoot good for 1- 3 shot group, but it's not .1 moa consistent "system".

If you are claiming this, I want to see it in person. If you can shoot your 6.8 SPC, AR-15 in a 5 shot group of .2 moa (I'll even double your accuracy claim for you) at 100 yards in a controlled environment, I will pay your full travel expenses to come from Katy, TX up to Wolfe City, TX (where I shoot), plus hotel stay and gas. Then, I want to wager on the results to an amount acceptable for the both of us.

.2 moa= .209" group center to center, or .486" from outside edge to outside edge for a 6.8, .277" bullet, 5 shot group.

When are you coming? Otherwise, you're just another "internet warrior" who sits behind a f'in keyboard spouting [censored] out.


Thing is, you requested pictures on this thread. You didn't say "can you post the .1 group?". I will promise to try to dig out a target where I tested that load on, and the subsequent sessions. It was done a couple years ago, so no certainty I still have it.

I wasn't touting anything. I was responding with information on a thread not too long ago. The difference in you and I, is I don't get defensive when someone posts a good group. This is fun for me. I can prove my unbias. Someone posted a tiny group recently, and I was impressed with your skill after I found out it was you. I praise other people doing well at this hobby. I prefer to glean knowledge instead of labeling someone "fake, lying, etc". Lots of my good loads are from other folk's experiences. 30-06 is proving to be bear at finding an accurate load for though......

Your point about a one time group is illogical. If a rifle does a certain group one time, it's capable of it all the time. That's a simple concept. Now, the shooter might not do it all the time, but the rifle is still capable of it all the time. Myself, certainly have bad days at the range, so no, it's not a constant thing. I was having a lackluster day when I was testing this load.

If you have a problem with anything I post, there's an ignore button, or simply not responding. Nothing I have ever posted, has questioned your ability, so the hostility is uncalled for. I might even be one of the folks who has bought ammo from you.

It's really not a crazy notion my rifle shoots that well. I was using a rifle built with great parts, using a precisely measured charge, match bullet, and good skill.

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So, when are you coming out? Man, why has no one EVER taken me up on a deal like this....? Hummm.

And BTW, I'm not defensive at all. I'm just calling you out on .1 moa.

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The vast majority of my shooting is done with a 2.5-8 power VX3's. I have one 3-9 power scope, but it's on a 30-06 I rarely shoot. I get groups from .1 to .7 moa (least accurate rifle I have that I shoot regularly).


This is what you claim. .1 to .7, nothing higher than .7. I'm here to prove it wrong. See you soon, yes!!??



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You missed the key words “that I shoot regularly”. I have a couple that don’t get shot all that much because frankly, I’m not really interested in using them because they’re not accurate. It’s also not possible to have several accurate guns?

I think the thing you’re missing is I have zero concern whether you believe or not. The only one getting worked up is you.

We just operate differently. I tend to believe people unless proven wrong. You should try it.

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