texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
Canoetx.45, lonesomeoaktx, Potter14, MMcAloon, Genhunter
64373 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 90,185
stxranchman 53,762
bill oxner 49,835
RKHarm24 44,577
rifleman 44,414
BMD 41,009
SnakeWrangler 39,640
Big Orn 37,484
txshntr 35,378
Facebook
Forum Statistics
Forums45
Topics418,070
Posts6,077,486
Members64,373
Most Online16,728
Mar 25th, 2012
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? #7086847
02/21/18 02:34 AM
02/21/18 02:34 AM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
L
Longhorngary Offline OP
Light Foot
Longhorngary  Offline OP
Light Foot
L

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
Son's rifle needed zeroing, so I took it out to adjust it in. Was pretty happy with the results, shot 3 shot groups after using two shots to get on paper at 25 yds. After adjusting, the final group was .5 MOA and covered by a dime. I'm sure there are much better shots, but for me and hunting I called that good enough.

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7086904
02/21/18 03:10 AM
02/21/18 03:10 AM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,772
Snyder
T
Tactical Cowboy Online content
Extreme Tracker
Tactical Cowboy  Online Content
Extreme Tracker
T

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,772
Snyder
Depends on the gun. Lever action, I’m happy with 2-2.5”. Bolt gun better be an inch or less.


The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it

Powder coated cast bullets available. https://www.facebook.com/lazyhbullets/
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7086914
02/21/18 03:14 AM
02/21/18 03:14 AM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 11,871
Lake Texoma, TX
2Beez Online happy
THF Celebrity
2Beez  Online Happy
THF Celebrity

Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 11,871
Lake Texoma, TX
Yes Sir. That will work up

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7086918
02/21/18 03:16 AM
02/21/18 03:16 AM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,043
Watauga, TX
T
Tff caribou Offline
Extreme Tracker
Tff caribou  Offline
Extreme Tracker
T

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,043
Watauga, TX
Depends on the gun and what I’m hunting. I wouldn’t be comfortable deer hunting with a rifle that couldn’t shoot ATLEAST 2” groups at 100. Any modern rifle with any halfway decent optic that will hold zero should be able to do that.


The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Tff caribou] #7086924
02/21/18 03:18 AM
02/21/18 03:18 AM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,772
Snyder
T
Tactical Cowboy Online content
Extreme Tracker
Tactical Cowboy  Online Content
Extreme Tracker
T

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,772
Snyder
Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
Depends on the gun and what I’m hunting. I wouldn’t be comfortable deer hunting with a rifle that couldn’t shoot ATLEAST 2” groups at 100. Any modern rifle with any halfway decent optic that will hold zero should be able to do that.


How far are you shooting?


The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it

Powder coated cast bullets available. https://www.facebook.com/lazyhbullets/
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Tactical Cowboy] #7086932
02/21/18 03:22 AM
02/21/18 03:22 AM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,043
Watauga, TX
T
Tff caribou Offline
Extreme Tracker
Tff caribou  Offline
Extreme Tracker
T

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,043
Watauga, TX
Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy
Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
Depends on the gun and what I’m hunting. I wouldn’t be comfortable deer hunting with a rifle that couldn’t shoot ATLEAST 2” groups at 100. Any modern rifle with any halfway decent optic that will hold zero should be able to do that.


How far are you shooting?


I have shots from 100-300 yards at my place. In theory a 2” group at 100 is a 6” group at 300 which is what I need it to be to be comfortable hitting vitals. My rifles have always shot 1”ish at 100 but if I couldn’t get under 2” I’d buy a new rifle.


The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7086941
02/21/18 03:30 AM
02/21/18 03:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,064
DFW
S
SR025 Online shocked
THF Trophy Hunter
SR025  Online Shocked
THF Trophy Hunter
S

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,064
DFW
Gotta be able to hit them in the brain stem

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: SR025] #7086942
02/21/18 03:32 AM
02/21/18 03:32 AM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,043
Watauga, TX
T
Tff caribou Offline
Extreme Tracker
Tff caribou  Offline
Extreme Tracker
T

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,043
Watauga, TX
Originally Posted By: SR025
Gotta be able to hit them in the brain stem


With a .22hornet at 600+ yards


The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7086963
02/21/18 03:58 AM
02/21/18 03:58 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 13,276
Forney, Tx
B
BigPig Online content
THF Celebrity
BigPig  Online Content
THF Celebrity
B

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 13,276
Forney, Tx
worthless


Originally Posted By: bill oxner
Ever spit it out rather than swallow it?

Originally Posted By: pegasaurus
Enjoy it while you can. One day you might be complaining about NOT getting random pop-ups in the morning. grin
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087009
02/21/18 05:20 AM
02/21/18 05:20 AM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,866
T
Texas Dan Offline
THF Celebrity
Texas Dan  Offline
THF Celebrity
T

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,866
Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.

Last edited by Texas Dan; 02/21/18 05:27 AM.

Dan,

Spring, Texas
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Texas Dan] #7087014
02/21/18 05:36 AM
02/21/18 05:36 AM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 11,871
Lake Texoma, TX
2Beez Online happy
THF Celebrity
2Beez  Online Happy
THF Celebrity

Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 11,871
Lake Texoma, TX
Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.


worthless

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087015
02/21/18 05:42 AM
02/21/18 05:42 AM
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,176
Grapevine
P_102 Offline
Pro Tracker
P_102  Offline
Pro Tracker

Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,176
Grapevine
Testing your rifle/load combination should always be done with a well bagged (or bipod and bag) setup. Practicing should be done with different scenarios in mind shooting from different setups (or lack of).

P_102


Do not trifle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Texas Dan] #7087028
02/21/18 10:47 AM
02/21/18 10:47 AM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
L
Longhorngary Offline OP
Light Foot
Longhorngary  Offline OP
Light Foot
L

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.


Sorry yes, I should have been clearer but I assume anyone sighting in a scope would be shooting off a bench or prone with a well bagged rifle. In this case, Tikka CTR, 5-25x Burris XTR II, shooting Hornady American Whitetail 6.5 Creedmoor shooting off the shelf ammo.

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087035
02/21/18 11:23 AM
02/21/18 11:23 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 13,276
Forney, Tx
B
BigPig Online content
THF Celebrity
BigPig  Online Content
THF Celebrity
B

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 13,276
Forney, Tx
I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


Originally Posted By: bill oxner
Ever spit it out rather than swallow it?

Originally Posted By: pegasaurus
Enjoy it while you can. One day you might be complaining about NOT getting random pop-ups in the morning. grin
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087073
02/21/18 12:44 PM
02/21/18 12:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,866
T
Texas Dan Offline
THF Celebrity
Texas Dan  Offline
THF Celebrity
T

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,866
Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.


Sorry yes, I should have been clearer but I assume anyone sighting in a scope would be shooting off a bench or prone with a well bagged rifle. In this case, Tikka CTR, 5-25x Burris XTR II, shooting Hornady American Whitetail 6.5 Creedmoor shooting off the shelf ammo.


No apologies needed. Your question just left open the point of what "good" looks like in different setups.

You're probably correct in saying most folks refer to "good" as being shots taken from the bench. But others might see it as being under much tougher setups that challenge the abilities of both the rifle and shooter.

While I'm no expert, I would consider .5 MOA to be excellent for a factory gun with no additional work having been done to it.


Dan,

Spring, Texas
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: BigPig] #7087177
02/21/18 02:06 PM
02/21/18 02:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
L
Longhorngary Offline OP
Light Foot
Longhorngary  Offline OP
Light Foot
L

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
Originally Posted By: BigPig
I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


Sorry not for bragging rights, more just how much adjusting do people tend to do before they say "good" and set their zero stops.

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087224
02/21/18 02:33 PM
02/21/18 02:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 327
Fairfax, VA
V
VAFish Offline
Bird Dog
VAFish  Offline
Bird Dog
V

Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 327
Fairfax, VA
Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
Originally Posted By: BigPig
I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


Sorry not for bragging rights, more just how much adjusting do people tend to do before they say "good" and set their zero stops.


"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards which should keep me in a game animal to about 250 yards without any holdover.

Group size, which seems to be what you are referring too, depends upon the use of the gun. A gun that won't be used to take a shot at a deer or pig over 100 yards away and a 3" group is fine. A gun used to shoot prairie dogs at 300-400 yards better consistently shoot groups under 1/2". And that brings up another point. One three shot half inch group means nothing, it may just be blind luck. If you need a 1/2" gun, it needs to shoot 1/2" groups consistently group after group.


"If your plan is for one year, plant rice.
If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
-- Confucius
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087228
02/21/18 02:35 PM
02/21/18 02:35 PM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 402
The Woodlands, Texas
G
Gangly Offline
Bird Dog
Gangly  Offline
Bird Dog
G

Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 402
The Woodlands, Texas
Whats considered good, or "accurate", is entirely dependent on the maximum ranges you will be shooting at.

I have an old Marlin 336 that will barely shoot a 3 inch group at 100 yards, but I take it hog hunting with me in thick woods where the shots will never be greater than 50-75 yards. I don't recall a time that the rifle has ever not done its job when put in the spot light, and it has proven that it is plenty "accurate" for my needs in those situations.

If Im shooting 200 yards or longer, Im reaching for one of my bolt guns or single shots and I expect those to be 1" or better at 100 yards. I rarely shoot at anything over 200 yards simply because there isn't much land I hunt that provides that opportunity. If I wanted to shoot 300 yards I would need to go to a long distance range.

Again, a measure of acceptable accuracy is entirely dependent on maximum planned shooting distance.


Aaron

Do it right, do it once.
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: VAFish] #7087258
02/21/18 02:47 PM
02/21/18 02:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
L
Longhorngary Offline OP
Light Foot
Longhorngary  Offline OP
Light Foot
L

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
Originally Posted By: VAFish
Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
Originally Posted By: BigPig
I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


Sorry not for bragging rights, more just how much adjusting do people tend to do before they say "good" and set their zero stops.


"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards which should keep me in a game animal to about 250 yards without any holdover.

Group size, which seems to be what you are referring too, depends upon the use of the gun. A gun that won't be used to take a shot at a deer or pig over 100 yards away and a 3" group is fine. A gun used to shoot prairie dogs at 300-400 yards better consistently shoot groups under 1/2". And that brings up another point. One three shot half inch group means nothing, it may just be blind luck. If you need a 1/2" gun, it needs to shoot 1/2" groups consistently group after group.


thanks..good feedback

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087283
02/21/18 03:02 PM
02/21/18 03:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 571
Kingsland, TX
P
pertnear Online content
Tracker
pertnear  Online Content
Tracker
P

Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 571
Kingsland, TX
Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
Son's rifle needed zeroing, so I took it out to adjust it in....

How old is your son & how does it shoot for him? Different people hold & shoot differently. Accuracy level & POI can be different.

Just saying...


Visit my fictional blog "The dr Chronicles" about a laid-back Texan named dr - Enjoy!

http://www.thedrchronicles.com


Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087718
02/21/18 08:02 PM
02/21/18 08:02 PM
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,176
Grapevine
P_102 Offline
Pro Tracker
P_102  Offline
Pro Tracker

Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,176
Grapevine
"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards..l

1 1/2” high is not hitting where you are aiming. P_102


Do not trifle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: pertnear] #7087746
02/21/18 08:27 PM
02/21/18 08:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
L
Longhorngary Offline OP
Light Foot
Longhorngary  Offline OP
Light Foot
L

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
Originally Posted By: pertnear
Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
Son's rifle needed zeroing, so I took it out to adjust it in....

How old is your son & how does it shoot for him? Different people hold & shoot differently. Accuracy level & POI can be different.

Just saying...


He's an adult and basically the same size as me. He's traveling and wanted to re-zero his rifle after using it.

Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: P_102] #7087885
02/21/18 10:09 PM
02/21/18 10:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 327
Fairfax, VA
V
VAFish Offline
Bird Dog
VAFish  Offline
Bird Dog
V

Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 327
Fairfax, VA
Originally Posted By: P_102
"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards..l

1 1/2” high is not hitting where you are aiming. P_102


True, but it gets me hitting the animal I am aiming at without worrying about hold over or under.


"If your plan is for one year, plant rice.
If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
-- Confucius
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: VAFish] #7088284
02/22/18 03:04 AM
02/22/18 03:04 AM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,866
T
Texas Dan Offline
THF Celebrity
Texas Dan  Offline
THF Celebrity
T

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,866
Originally Posted By: VAFish
Originally Posted By: P_102
"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards..l

1 1/2” high is not hitting where you are aiming. P_102


True, but it gets me hitting the animal I am aiming at without worrying about hold over or under.


Let's not forget there are only two points at which the scope axis and bullet trajectory intersect one another. If you want to hit an animal at the point that appears at the center of your scope, it must be at one of these two distances away from you. Choose the right zero distance and there's only one such point.

Last edited by Texas Dan; 02/22/18 03:10 AM.

Dan,

Spring, Texas
Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7088345
02/22/18 04:15 AM
02/22/18 04:15 AM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 747
Austin County
H
hermano W Offline
Tracker
hermano W  Offline
Tracker
H

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 747
Austin County
You need to splain that one a little better Dan... If the muzzle is about 3/4" below the line of sight, how do I sight it in where the bullet will only cross my line of vision once... That possibility evades my understanding...

Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread


© 2004-2019 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
UBB.threads™ 7.6.2