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Law Enforcement Officers!! #7082320
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Do any of you carry a 9mm? Either as Primary or Back up?

If so, what it your "go to" ammo if the SHTF?


"I ain't here for a long time, I'm here for a good time"
King George Strait


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Go to for my 357sig duty and 9mm off duty is Hornady Critical Duty. If in anything shorter than a 4 inch barrel, use Hornady Critical Defense.

Although they look the same, they are designed differently and work best in the designated barrel lengths

Last edited by BigPig; 02/17/18 03:34 PM.

Originally Posted By: bill oxner
Ever spit it out rather than swallow it?

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Enjoy it while you can. One day you might be complaining about NOT getting random pop-ups in the morning. grin
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This information may be helpful in making a decision -

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/






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Re: Law Enforcement Officers!! [Re: Buzzsaw] #7082382
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How about the latest craze of lightweight solid cooper bullets with the spiral (Phillips Screwdriver) looking points?

Many shooters have gone to a "summer" load and a "winter" load.


"I ain't here for a long time, I'm here for a good time"
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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
How about the latest craze of lightweight solid cooper bullets with the spiral (Phillips Screwdriver) looking points?

Many shooters have gone to a "summer" load and a "winter" load.


Why? We donít change our ammo based on seasons, find one that works well in all conditions, like the one mentioned above


Originally Posted By: bill oxner
Ever spit it out rather than swallow it?

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Enjoy it while you can. One day you might be complaining about NOT getting random pop-ups in the morning. grin
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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
How about the latest craze of lightweight solid cooper bullets with the spiral (Phillips Screwdriver) looking points?

Many shooters have gone to a "summer" load and a "winter" load.


Not a LEO so I won't try to contribute. But summer winter load are you talking about a smaller firearm during the summer for ease of concealment and a larger firearm during the winter because of the thicker clothes? I've heard of people doing this or am I missing something?


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Re: Law Enforcement Officers!! [Re: Kthnx] #7082406
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Originally Posted By: Kthnx
Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
How about the latest craze of lightweight solid cooper bullets with the spiral (Phillips Screwdriver) looking points?

Many shooters have gone to a "summer" load and a "winter" load.


Not a LEO so I won't try to contribute. But summer winter load are you talking about a smaller firearm during the summer for ease of concealment and a larger firearm during the winter because of the thicker clothes? I've heard of people doing this or am I missing something?


Exactly it, I guess the Critical Duty might serve for both seasons

You know us gun people, always looking for an edge or something new


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Don't overthink it Buzz and don't chase the latest trends with such an important decision. BP has a good suggestion and I recall BIL uses Gold Dot. Go with what LEO/FBI uses.


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Originally Posted By: Kthnx
Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
How about the latest craze of lightweight solid cooper bullets with the spiral (Phillips Screwdriver) looking points?

Many shooters have gone to a "summer" load and a "winter" load.


Not a LEO so I won't try to contribute. But summer winter load are you talking about a smaller firearm during the summer for ease of concealment and a larger firearm during the winter because of the thicker clothes? I've heard of people doing this or am I missing something?


Not an LEO but Winter clothing, heavy coats etc. can fill a hollow point and cause it to behave like a FMJ and not expand.

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9mm on and off

Speer Golddot 147 g2

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He77 BIG FITZ, you know me, I overthink EVERYTHING

I still don't know what I'm shooting in two weeks, got no ammo ready. My BDC turret is not working correctly, maybe I can shoot Chad's Winny .22 for the whole thing


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Our duty ammo is Speer 124 Gold Dots.

Re: Law Enforcement Officers!! [Re: Buzzsaw] #7082896
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Barnes TAC-XPD is incredibly reliable. Itís the bees knees.


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Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
Barnes TAC-XPD is incredibly reliable. It’s the bees knees.
bang


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Gold dot or Federal HST

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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
9mm on and off

Speer Golddot 147 g2



same here


i am cancelling my subscription, i am tired of your issues!
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[quote=SR025]Gold dot or Federal HST [/quote

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Originally Posted By: SR025
Gold dot or Federal HST


Get your head out of your arse


Originally Posted By: bill oxner
Ever spit it out rather than swallow it?

Originally Posted By: pegasaurus
Enjoy it while you can. One day you might be complaining about NOT getting random pop-ups in the morning. grin
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Both. I carry Federal HST 124gr+P


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He gave me plenty.
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Can you still get Ranger T ammo? Or has it gone underground?


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Gold dot or Federal HST


Get your head out of your arse


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Why is this only addressed to LEOs. A lot of cops donít shoot more than they need to. Lots of civilians put hundreds of rounds through their guns monthly. Iím guessing youíre looking for a reliable self defense rounds after the Barnes hiccup. Iím of the opinion that any defensive rounds from any major manufacturer will have close enough performance (ballistics wise) to any other similar round. Find one your gun likes, shoot enough rounds til you are comfortable with it, and move on.


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I carry Federal HST on duty, Hornady Critical Duty off duty, and I've carried Gold Dots in the past. I would trust my life to any of them.


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I'm not a LEO but I have spent some time testing lots of pistol bullets on various targets including water jugs and pig carcasses.

The top 3 bullets across the board for me is Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, and Winchester PDX1. The one exception to that is the Speer Gold Dot in 380. Both me and my brother have tested that one and we get inconsistent expansion. For the 380 the PDX1 is my choice.

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