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Trump to keep Elephant trophy ban in place. #7065526
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So trump tells prissy Piers Morgan in an interview last week that he is going to keep that elephant trophy ban in place and that he doesnít think that African hunting is conservation. Not so much as a squawk out of the hunting and outdoors community over this. We are the ones that support him not the anti crowd.

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Good. Why does anyone need to kill and elephant anyway. You don't eat it.


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Why go deer hunting if you can buy meat at the supermarket if you are going to use that logic. 🤨

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Originally Posted By: 4Weight
Good. Why does anyone need to kill and elephant anyway. You don't eat it.


Stupid.


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Originally Posted By: UNT@2007
Why go deer hunting if you can buy meat at the supermarket if you are going to use that logic.

Oh come on... everyone knows the only place to BUY deer meat is at Arbys, and then it's not everywhere. smile


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This is exactly like the debate over owning assault rifles where you have gun owners lecturing other gun owners that they donít need to own an assault rifle.

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Originally Posted By: UNT@2007
This is exactly like the debate over owning assault rifles where you have gun owners lecturing other gun owners that they donít need to own an assault rifle.


Iíve actually never seen that on here. Iíve seen arguments about which is better for certain kinds of hunting-and then AR owners trying to put words in folksí mouth to that effect in an attempt to change the debate.


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Originally Posted By: 4Weight
Good. Why does anyone need to kill and elephant anyway. You don't eat it.

This is inaccurate. Elephants are consumed in their virtual entirety by villagers in the hunting areas. Bear in mind that the local villagers subsist almost entirely on ground cornmeal; any protean is very welcome indeed.


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While i have no desire to kill one I do know that in most cases they choose an old bull that is doing no good for the herd and therefore it does help with conservation. Also, this doesnt ban hunting them, just importing anything from them back. Cheetahs and lions have same ban

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There is much more to elephant hunting that helps those in need from food to money for their livelihood. To say there is no reason to hunt an elephant is a liberal mindset based on emotions and without facts or merit.


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I'm glad his focus is elsewhere. He can always come back to the elephants after the swamp is drained and the wall is built.

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Originally Posted By: RattlesnakeDan
There is much more to elephant hunting that helps those in need from food to money for their livelihood. To say there is no reason to hunt an elephant is a liberal mindset based on emotions and without facts or merit.

Yup....don't know any folks that eat coyotes but the justify shooting them...... rolleyes


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Originally Posted By: UNT@2007
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So trump tells prissy Piers Morgan in an interview last week that he is going to keep that elephant trophy ban in place and that he doesnít think that African hunting is conservation. Not so much as a squawk out of the hunting and outdoors community over this. We are the ones that support him not the anti crowd.


Do a little research and find out which countries the importation ban is about and why it came about. Then ask your self as a hunter conservationist if the ban should hold or be reversed.

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Originally Posted By: 4Weight
Good. Why does anyone need to kill and elephant anyway. You don't eat it.


The local villages disagree with you 100%.

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Good. Why does anyone need to kill and elephant anyway. You don't eat it.


Stupid.


Agree....

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If the world wants to see elephants slaughtered...keep ban in place--hell do away with trophy hunting...it will not be long and there will be nothing. They will be poached out in 20 years. I had the pleasure of hunting elephant. It was an experience I treasure. Yes, the meat and fat was consumed. The hide was used--some by me and most by the community. My dollars I spent employed people that would otherwise probably not have a job--like skinners, camp staff--or would be poachers--ie trackers. I'm sure that some dollars somewhere went to some political cronies--heck it's Africa. But in my opinion the good far outweighs the corrupt.

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If the world wants to see elephants slaughtered...keep ban in place--hell do away with trophy hunting...it will not be long and there will be nothing. They will be poached out in 20 years. I had the pleasure of hunting elephant. It was an experience I treasure. Yes, the meat and fat was consumed. The hide was used--some by me and most by the community. My dollars I spent employed people that would otherwise probably not have a job--like skinners, camp staff--or would be poachers--ie trackers. I'm sure that some dollars somewhere went to some political cronies--heck it's Africa. But in my opinion the good far outweighs the corrupt.

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Facts donít matter in this debate unfortunately. The prez bought into the emotion, said itís ďhorribleĒ, so thatís what his policy is based on. Sad.


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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I'm glad his focus is elsewhere. He can always come back to the elephants after the swamp is drained and the wall is built.


Exactly.

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Originally Posted By: UNT@2007
Not so much as a squawk out of the hunting and outdoors community over this.


You're not looking very hard.


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If the world wants to see elephants slaughtered...keep ban in place--hell do away with trophy hunting...it will not be long and there will be nothing. They will be poached out in 20 years. I had the pleasure of hunting elephant. It was an experience I treasure. Yes, the meat and fat was consumed. The hide was used--some by me and most by the community. My dollars I spent employed people that would otherwise probably not have a job--like skinners, camp staff--or would be poachers--ie trackers. I'm sure that some dollars somewhere went to some political cronies--heck it's Africa. But in my opinion the good far outweighs the corrupt.

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Facts donít matter in this debate unfortunately. The prez bought into the emotion, said itís ďhorribleĒ, so thatís what his policy is based on. Sad.


Facts do matter, the ban envolves two countries. The ban was put in place because Zambia and Zimbabwe had crap for an elephant conservation plan. Have those two countries come up with a elephant conservation plan that appeases the international scentific community?

Whatís Really sad is those of us weighting in with out actual facts, just pure emotion.

Not one person on this thread has argued that those two countries have come up with an acceptable elephant conservation plan.



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If the world wants to see elephants slaughtered...keep ban in place--hell do away with trophy hunting...it will not be long and there will be nothing. They will be poached out in 20 years. I had the pleasure of hunting elephant. It was an experience I treasure. Yes, the meat and fat was consumed. The hide was used--some by me and most by the community. My dollars I spent employed people that would otherwise probably not have a job--like skinners, camp staff--or would be poachers--ie trackers. I'm sure that some dollars somewhere went to some political cronies--heck it's Africa. But in my opinion the good far outweighs the corrupt.

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Facts donít matter in this debate unfortunately. The prez bought into the emotion, said itís ďhorribleĒ, so thatís what his policy is based on. Sad.


Facts do matter, the ban envolves two countries. The ban was put in place because Zambia and Zimbabwe had crap for an elephant conservation plan. Have those two countries come up with a elephant conservation plan that appeases the international scentific community?

Whatís Really sad is those of us weighting in with out actual facts, just pure emotion.

Not one person on this thread has argued that those two countries have come up with an acceptable elephant conservation plan.




I'm aware of the situation. Plan or no plan, effectively removing the $$$ that hunters provide for the conservation of the species sucks. Maybe you should do a little reading too - the disastrous effects of elephant hunting bans in Kenya and Botswana are a good place to start. Elephant hunting helps elephants - just like most all sport hunting helps the species being hunted. Those are the facts.

Defending a President who calls elephant hunting "horrible" by accusing others of basing opinions on emotion is the height of irony.


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If the world wants to see elephants slaughtered...keep ban in place--hell do away with trophy hunting...it will not be long and there will be nothing. They will be poached out in 20 years. I had the pleasure of hunting elephant. It was an experience I treasure. Yes, the meat and fat was consumed. The hide was used--some by me and most by the community. My dollars I spent employed people that would otherwise probably not have a job--like skinners, camp staff--or would be poachers--ie trackers. I'm sure that some dollars somewhere went to some political cronies--heck it's Africa. But in my opinion the good far outweighs the corrupt.

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Facts donít matter in this debate unfortunately. The prez bought into the emotion, said itís ďhorribleĒ, so thatís what his policy is based on. Sad.


Facts do matter, the ban envolves two countries. The ban was put in place because Zambia and Zimbabwe had crap for an elephant conservation plan. Have those two countries come up with a elephant conservation plan that appeases the international scentific community?

Whatís Really sad is those of us weighting in with out actual facts, just pure emotion.

Not one person on this thread has argued that those two countries have come up with an acceptable elephant conservation plan.




I'm aware of the situation. Plan or no plan, effectively removing the $$$ that hunters provide for the conservation of the species sucks. Maybe you should do a little reading too - the disastrous effects of elephant hunting bans in Kenya and Botswana might be a good place to start.


you where all about burning Palmer to the stake off public speculation of illegal non conservation based hunting. But yet are full court press on Pres Trump for not reversing a ban thatís based on conservation for the continued hunting of a species?

Kenya and Botswana are outright bans, big difference.

You pride yourself as a hunter conservationists but donít want to push for sound scientific management? If you where fully aware then you would of argued off USFWís recommendations





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Banning ivory/horn/hide importation of any animal is a de-facto hunting ban. Hunters are the best conservationists and hunters' $$$ are the primary and most impactful conservation tools that exist. To remove their $$$ and voices from the table is almost always disastrous for the animals at issue.



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