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Cutting Edge Bullet range report #7051569
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just got home from the range. what a great day to be outside. i'll post pictures in a few minutes but they shot terrible in my loading. i'll have to contact them, see what I've done wrong. the ELD-X's were fantastic as were the Nosler 140 Ballistic Tips.

The bullets are to be seated just to the Seal tight band. This really put the bullets deep into the pretty full cases. I haven't measured to the lands with these yet, just loaded as per Cutting Edge suggestions.. we'll see. bang


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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
The bullets are to be seated just to the Seal tight band. This really put the bullets deep into the pretty full cases.


Hey Buzz, why to the bands? Why would it matter? With their aggressive ogive bullets, I'd seat them as close to the rifling as I could get it.

And yes, today would be a GREAT range day. I wanted to go, but I had too much ammo to get shipped and done.



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Re: Cutting Edge Bullet range report [Re: Buzzsaw] #7051596
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Thatís what they recommend, but I donít think it has to be done that way.

Did you try different charge weights?


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Check these out, I mounted the n ew Swarovski Z6 5-30X50, so the groups are all over the place as I sighted it in.

This first target is my Fairbanks custom 6.5 Creedmoor 140 Amax, 42.4 H-4350, and my Remington 700 5R, Think I'm gonna shoot one of these at Jason's match, depends on which one I can hold up the longest!!!!!!



This one is the Barrett, 1-8 Twist, 21" #1 contour barrel, 6.5 Creed, 42.4 H-4350 Nosler Ballistic Tips and the ELDX !! nice.



OK, here are the Cutting Edge targets , look like I shot the target with buckshot.




Here is a round showing seated to their seal tight band. There is a groove, band, another groove.



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Re: Cutting Edge Bullet range report [Re: Buzzsaw] #7051610
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Your velocities are all over the place. Just need to find the right node for that bullet. It will be different from other bullets of the same weight, because of the bore riding design reducing pressures.


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They gave me this, seems awfully light loads. They also sent me loads from Quick Books

James,

Here is some data for the single feed and magazine feed. The loads below are proven data from our own testing with the magazine feed 130gr. These 3 powders have been the best for the Creedmoor. These again are all max loads. Let me know if you have any questions!

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6.5Creedmoor
6.5Creedmoor
6.5Creedmoor
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MTH 264 130
MTH 264 130
MTH 264 130
Bullet Weight
130gr
130gr
130gr
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H4350
VARGET
H4895
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39.0gr
34.0gr
33.0
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Fed210
Fed210
Fed210
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2.640Ē
2.640Ē
2.640Ē
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2700fps
2650fps
2600fps
Barrel Length
26Ē
26Ē
26Ē
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Re: Cutting Edge Bullet range report [Re: Buzzsaw] #7051644
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Their lawyer safe max loads. No way thatís true max.


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39.0 grain of H4350 with a 130 grain at 2700 fps in a 26" barrel? Jeez, that's very light. And, why would you use H4895 in a 6.5 CM with a 130 grain? I can see someone using Varget, but 4895 is not in the right burn rate for that round.



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I sent them an email for suggestions, I have a ton of more powders they list on their Quick Load Data


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Buzz, H4350 will work fine. You could also copy Barnes data, since they are copper bullets also. Just check the bearing surface in comparison to the CE bullets. If the bearing surface is more, then reduce the load some, and vice versa.



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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
39.0 grain of H4350 with a 130 grain at 2700 fps in a 26" barrel? Jeez, that's very light. And, why would you use H4895 in a 6.5 CM with a 130 grain?


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I'm really disappointed in cutting edge. I've sent them three emails with these pictures asking for help and suggestions. all I received back are cricket chirps.

I guess they are too busy setting 3 mile shot loads confused2


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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
I guess they are too busy setting 3 mile shot loads confused2


Or busy dealing with a customer who wants to work up a load versus getting a magic load that just shoots? bang


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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
I'm really disappointed in cutting edge. I've sent them three emails with these pictures asking for help and suggestions. all I received back are cricket chirps.

I guess they are too busy setting 3 mile shot loads confused2


Have you tried actual load work up, or just a few loads that you thought would work?


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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
I'm really disappointed in cutting edge. I've sent them three emails with these pictures asking for help and suggestions. all I received back are cricket chirps.

I guess they are too busy setting 3 mile shot loads confused2


Have you tried actual load work up, or just a few loads that you thought would work?


well, the bullets are $1.16 each, I was kinda hoping my ELDX and Ballistic loadings would work. So, yes, I will try some work up, thought i'd get lucky hammer


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Thatís not how it works. You know that. Itís a completely different bullet.


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Originally Posted By: Judd
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I guess they are too busy setting 3 mile shot loads confused2


Or busy dealing with a customer who wants to work up a load versus getting a magic load that just shoots? bang


Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Thatís not how it works. You know that. Itís a completely different bullet.


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I will give Cutting Egde a break, I just realized they have been at SHOT and SCI. I would like to hear what they say, probably the same as ya'll but its their product and I'm sure they want customers happy who are paying this much for their bullets.

Today I will prep some Alpha cases (Which are very nice BTW). I have all the other suggested powders on hand for these bullet weights, 120/130. CE says use any reloading data you would use for regular bullets. I thought for sure 42.4 H-4350 would do the trick.

Should I stick with it and vary charge wieghts or go all out and throw some H-414, H4831SC, 4064, Ramshot Hunter, Ramshot Big Game,

Or put them on the prize table and stick with the ELDX and BT's

Or loan some to CHad for his magic.


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You cutting edge loads look a lot like what some of my loads looked like with original barnes x bullets. I was always able to get them to shoot better by pushing them a little harder, they shot horribly with light loads, which it seems is the consensus of what you have.

Doesn't hurt to try a known load, my 243 likes pretty much any 100 grain bullet over 40 grains of imr 4350.


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These C E bullets will be very aggressive in the shape of the bullet. They will have a longer ogive to tip length and probably a shorter bearing surface, which will make them more finicky. They have to be to be competitive with their BC's compared to lead bullets. (Copper is less dense than lead, so a 120-130 grain copper bullet will be about the same size as a 140 grain lead bullet) I have not played with them, so I'd rely on what CE says on where to seat them. But their data with 4895 is strange, so not sure.



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Could you explain why a bullet with longer ogive to tip length and/or a shorter bearing surface would be more unpredictable?


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Several reasons. One is that the case mouth doesn't grip the bullet (bearing surface) as well. You could have recoil induced COAL adjustments to those in a magazine.


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Originally Posted By: Texasteach
Several reasons. One is that the case mouth doesn't grip the bullet (bearing surface) as well. You could have recoil induced COAL adjustments to those in a magazine.


Well sure but I'm about 100% sure that isn't the case with this, I'm looking for why he says a bullet with less bearing surface is less finicky. Would you care to share some of your other several reasons?


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Think in terms of lands, leads, case infringement, chambers, and magazine limitations. Add in barrel twists. Now add in SAAMI and factor specs of all of the fore mentioned. There in lies factors that make things finiky.


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