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Iím entertaining the thought of buying a thermal. Would like to stay under $3500 if possible, also donít want anything ATN due to their bad reviews. My needs would include the ability to shoot accurately out to 200-250 yds.
Also want built in video recording and rechargeable battery pack. What do you guys use? Thanks.

Re: Thermal optics [Re: jay baker] #7041946
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If you scroll through this form a few pages back, you will find the answer to all of your questions. There's a pretty clear consensus of the best current options.


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Ok, Iíll look. Thank you.

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Get a pulsar

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Originally Posted By: tannerlst
Get a pulsar


I would but everyone is sold out. confused2

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Originally Posted By: jay baker
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Get a pulsar


I would but everyone is sold out. confused2


That may be capitalism's way of telling you to buy a Pulsar Ö


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Re: Thermal optics [Re: jay baker] #7046012
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Yep pulsar is way in demand right now. We've caught up a little bit though. Just cleared a bunch of backorders with the last shipment. Holler at me if you have any questions on which direction to go.



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Well I ended up with a pulsar XQ38 apex. As most know, there isnít really anything available anywhere. I was ordering some stuff from midway USA , and by chance it popped up on a suggestion. They had one in stock, and 3 days later itís on my desk. I hope it works out, as Iím going to test it out this weekend. Many thanks to all the people that helped me out with all my questions.

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You got a good thermal. Iím running a trail xp38 and they are super easy to figure out. Post some pics of some kills

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You'll have great luck with that apex. Probably the best thermal for the dollar out right now.



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I agree on the Apexes. Heck of a deal if you don't need internal video recording. They are a real value.

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I really wanted the recording ability but none were avaliable. Iíll be adding the DVR later after I figure out how to use it efficiently. Donít want to mess with two things at one time right now. Iíll be contacting yíall for the system a little later. Once again thanks.

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Got to use the pulsar apex XQ38 last night. All I can say is wow! Ended up harvesting 5 hogs. One boar was 230lbs, and the long shot of the night was right at 237 yds. Was able to identify animals out beyond 600 yds easily. I think Iím addicted now...lol

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Originally Posted By: jay baker
Got to use the pulsar apex XQ38 last night. All I can say is wow! Ended up harvesting 5 hogs. One boar was 230lbs, and the long shot of the night was right at 237 yds. Was able to identify animals out beyond 600 yds easily. I think Iím addicted now...lol


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Originally Posted By: songdogslayer
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Got to use the pulsar apex XQ38 last night. All I can say is wow! Ended up harvesting 5 hogs. One boar was 230lbs, and the long shot of the night was right at 237 yds. Was able to identify animals out beyond 600 yds easily. I think Iím addicted now...lol


Welcome to the club of eating ramen noodles loco_too


True dat

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Originally Posted By: songdogslayer
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Got to use the pulsar apex XQ38 last night. All I can say is wow! Ended up harvesting 5 hogs. One boar was 230lbs, and the long shot of the night was right at 237 yds. Was able to identify animals out beyond 600 yds easily. I think Iím addicted now...lol


Welcome to the club of eating ramen noodles loco_too


Ramen noodles and no sleep when the sun goes down...lol

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Originally Posted By: jay baker
Got to use the pulsar apex XQ38 last night. All I can say is wow! Ended up harvesting 5 hogs. One boar was 230lbs, and the long shot of the night was right at 237 yds. Was able to identify animals out beyond 600 yds easily. I think Iím addicted now...lol
go with the XQ50


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go with the XQ50

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Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
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go with the XQ50

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How much better is the xq50 over the 38? I have the 38 now

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Better is realative term. Detection range is a little further. Where youíll se a difference is under bad conditions, high humidity to be specific. Ther larger lens allows for more information to be collected. Translates to a ďbetterĒ heat signature . Under perfect conditions youíd be hard pressed to see any real difference, other than native mag . But reality is, very seldom perfect conditions. It worth the extra$ unless the 4x-ish native is too much . Iíve got both that get used as loaners. Usually guys end up liking the 50 better by end of night , but I think itís due to combination of all factors combined. Hope this helps

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Better is realative term. Detection range is a little further. Where youíll se a difference is under bad conditions, high humidity to be specific. Ther larger lens allows for more information to be collected. Translates to a ďbetterĒ heat signature . Under perfect conditions youíd be hard pressed to see any real difference, other than native mag . But reality is, very seldom perfect conditions. It worth the extra$ unless the 4x-ish native is too much . Iíve got both that get used as loaners. Usually guys end up liking the 50 better by end of night , but I think itís due to combination of all factors combined. Hope this helps
I was in West Texas early October and I couldnít see 10 yards the fog was so thick but i could see deer at the feeder 250 yds away with the thermal lol. Couldnít see terrain but could see the heat sigs. Thought that was cool


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Originally Posted By: Midwaytmm
Better is realative term. Detection range is a little further. Where youíll se a difference is under bad conditions, high humidity to be specific. Ther larger lens allows for more information to be collected. Translates to a ďbetterĒ heat signature . Under perfect conditions youíd be hard pressed to see any real difference, other than native mag . But reality is, very seldom perfect conditions. It worth the extra$ unless the 4x-ish native is too much . Iíve got both that get used as loaners. Usually guys end up liking the 50 better by end of night , but I think itís due to combination of all factors combined. Hope this helps


Thanks, I have a apex and trail in 38 and have been happy with both, but I'm pulling the trigger on another xq38 for a spotter

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Originally Posted By: songdogslayer
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go with the XQ50

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How much better is the xq50 over the 38? I have the 38 now


Generally speaking, image quality is no better. The reason to buy the XQ50 is simply for the extra magnification. For a spotter, the XQ50 would be a good choice. For mostly coyote hunting, I think the XQ50 is a good choice because you are more likely to get coyotes hung up out there at further ranges and might have to take a longer shot at a smaller target than if you were hunting hogs exclusively.

99% of my hog hunters in the South buy the 38's and 80% of my coyote hunters in the Midwest buy the 50. When it comes to night hunting, I'm a low magnification proponent. I wan the lowest magnification and widest field of view possible that still gets the job done. Depending on your yardages that can vary from person to person. 1.6x is all I need in a scope but I realized 2.1x or 2.7x is better for some people.

Since you already have the 38, I'd just say to decided if you really want more magnification and are you willing to lose FOV to get it. For a spotter I don't see that being a big deal but I personally do for a scope, again, considering your hunting conditions. The Trail XQ38 has a FOV of 71.5ft at 110 yards, whereas the XQ50 only has 43ft at 110 yards. That's a huge difference and it is even more pronounced when you get down in the 50-75 yard range.

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The image quality may not appear to look any better on the xq50 than the xq38 but that is specifically because of the magnification difference. The lack of magnification hides the clarity difference very well.


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I hear that. I already think that the xq38 has less field of view than the apex38 Scope will double as a weapon mount also. Getting a pretty good deal from sportoptics, so I'll probably just go 38. Thanks for the help!

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