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Dang, my first dead Vortex #7028346
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Well, not exactly dead, but major vertical stringing. The scope is a Vortex Viper 6-24 PST ffp. I was already set up to load, so I decided to catch up on my 223 40 gr BT loads - about 100 of them. Itís an old favorite load and shoots nice little groups. I loaded them up and thought iíd shoot a few. But, first cold bore shot was 2 inches low. Thatís odd. So I shot a few groups and would get 3 out of 5 pretty much right on the money, but 2 would be straight down an inch or two. Started worrying about the scope, but NAHH, canít be. Shot a few more groups, alternating between one 40 gr Nosler and one 65 gr Sierra. Vertical tracking is not working in a predictable manner. Well, I had that Ďavailableí Leupold Var-XIII 4.5-14, so I put that on there. And we are back to tiny little groups with the 40ís and the 65ís.

Never have sent one back to Vortex, so Iíll box it up on Monday. Just to say it, that is the third scope (Nikon Monarch 4-16, Leupold VX2 6-18, and now the vortex) that has had a wandering POI after time on that Ruger Hawkeye 223. Only Ďscope killerí rifle I have. Geez. Iíve been saying nice things about Vortex.

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Originally Posted By: 603Country
Just to say it, that is the third scope (Nikon Monarch 4-16, Leupold VX2 6-18, and now the vortex) that has had a wandering POI after time on that Ruger Hawkeye 223. Only Ďscope killerí rifle I have.


THAT is kinda weird. Lotsa "why" swirling in my mind, and I'm inspired to ask whether the rings on that rifle were ever lapped. I just can't accept the idea of .223 being a scope killer.




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RiverRider, iím going with it just being coincidence, for now. The first two scopes were set and forget type, and didnít get adjusted much. The Vortex actually got used, turretwise, with most being up/down. Thatís why I shot alternately with the two bullet weights, since the heavier bullet POI needed adjustment upward, to see if the adjustment actually adjusted. And it didnít.

I think iím coming around to the logic of buying more expensive bulletproof scopes, though I donít work scopes hard enough that I should have to spend the big bucks. Oh, well. Get the Vortex fixed, put it back on the Ďscope killerí, and send the Leupold to get it ďCDSídĒ, and then put it on the rifle I donít have.

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Maybe it IS all just coincidence. Who knows...but maybe twisting that turret as much as you did was just enough to bring on the failure. Sounds good to me.




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I heard nothing but glowing reviews of Vortex's customer service for years. Last year I had three opportunities to experience their customer service. They did replace one Diamondback but that took them two times to get it right. For my Viper HS and Viper HS LR, they told me they were fine but my rifles were jacked up. No issues with those "jacked up" rifles when using other scopes with the same bases and rings.

With the exception of their Razor line (even that is now coming into question), I'm no longer looking at Vortex products based upon my experience with their customer service.

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The fact that so many people can testify to their warranty being so outstanding says a lot about more than just their warranty. In the field, I depend a whole lot more on my scope not failing than I do a warranty.


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Well, I guess iím next up in the rotation to deal with Vortex customer service. Iíll call them tomorrow. Iíll let you know if it doesnít go well. And Iíll ship the scope off in a day or so. And, I need to ship off an old fixed 6 Leupold, so I can do a running comparison of how it goes with the both of them. My dealings so far with Leupold have been terrific - friendly helpful people and rapid turnaround time.

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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
The fact that so many people can testify to their warranty being so outstanding says a lot about more than just their warranty. In the field, I depend a whole lot more on my scope not failing than I do a warranty.


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Originally Posted By: 603Country
Well, I guess iím next up in the rotation to deal with Vortex customer service. Iíll call them tomorrow. Iíll let you know if it doesnít go well. And Iíll ship the scope off in a day or so. And, I need to ship off an old fixed 6 Leupold, so I can do a running comparison of how it goes with the both of them. My dealings so far with Leupold have been terrific - friendly helpful people and rapid turnaround time.


Iíll be in line right behind you.


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The fact that so many people can testify to their warranty being so outstanding says a lot about more than just their warranty. In the field, I depend a whole lot more on my scope not failing than I do a warranty.


=Night Force for me.


I only bought that Vortex because you told me to. grin

Nightforce is like the Tundra of the optic world. Iím leaning that way more and more. That Tangent Theta sure looks nice, though. Any idea how tough they are? Iíve looked and looked and canít find any reviews referencing that. Given my bad habit of tearing stuff up, bulletproof is a quality very near the top of things I require in a scope.


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If I told you to, you had a budget, and I try to not exceed people's budget.

Only guy I know with a Tangent Theda is "Red Snake".

Not bashing Tangent Theda, but they dont have a decades old tract record of toughness, some of which was earned on the battle field.



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I did have a budget. Next time I wonít. Itís actually not a bad scope. My confidence in its reliability has just faded.

Thatís my biggest hang up. It doesnít have the track record. I still have time. Maybe some light will be shed in the mean time. If not, I know what to expect in the ATACR.


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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
I know what to expect in the ATACR.


All I cook with is Cast iron skillets. What does Lodge say? "You have a friend for life".

So far, I am looking at NF that way.



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The more I look into that F1, the more I like it. Theyíve added some really nice touches since Iíve used the original ATACR.


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603, I think you tend to shoot rifles one at a time. You could consider what FJG does, and share one scope on multiple rifles.




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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
603, I think you tend to shoot rifles one at a time. You could consider what FJG does, and share one scope on multiple rifles.
I tried to do that. It works fine if you have a range to yourself where you can verify zero. If you have to pay a range fee to double-check every time you switch, it becomes a bit more hassle and expense. However, I was always within .2 mils and nearly always within .1 mils or exactly right when I moved from one rifle to the other. So it absolutely can be done, but it was more hassle than I wanted to fool with. If I was going to keep both rifles, I probably would have bought a fixed-power 12x42 SWFA for the 223.

I ended up selling my 223 and keeping my 6.5 and I have one bolt gun and one scope and it works much more stress-free.

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Quitshootin, I hadnít really thought about it, but I guess I do shoot one rifle at a time, but I think iíll stick with one scope per rifle, though I will admit to having more scopes than rifles. When the Vortex went wonky, I put the Leupold on the 223, and that Leupold had previously been on that rifle prior to the Vortex. Hardly any adjustment needed to get it back to dead on.

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Has something changed in vortex? Seems like I either had really good luck, or things have gone downhill?? Seems like I hear more and more folks saying they have had problems. Honest question. I donít hunt much in daylight anymore, so Iím out of the know I guess

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My Ďsickí Vortex is one of two that I have. No problems with the other one. Today I mailed a Leupold and the Vortex off to their respective repair shops. Scopes these days are more actively used than the set and forget ones I grew up with (and still have several of). It makes sense to me that if you want a seriously problem free scope, you are going to have to spend serious money. And from what I read, even spending the big bucks doesnít automatically get you a trouble free turreted scope. On another forum, a knowledgeable guy said that the toughest of the tough was ďNightforce mil-specĒ.

If I buy another scope for a center fire rifle, I donít know what it will be.

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I think you had good luck.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG


Not bashing Tangent Theda, but they dont have a decades old tract record of toughness, some of which was earned on the battle field.


Tangent is an upgraded premier and Premiers have a stellar track record. They have issues if rings are over tightened but so do other scopes.


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Not bashing Tangent Theda, but they dont have a decades old tract record of toughness, some of which was earned on the battle field.


Tangent is an upgraded premier and Premiers have a stellar track record. They have issues if rings are over tightened but so do other scopes.


Got a little sick to my stomache for what I paid for my ATACR. I'm just not in the mode to spend more on a Tangent or a S & B. Those that do, more power to ya!



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Originally Posted By: Midwaytmm
Has something changed in vortex? Seems like I either had really good luck, or things have gone downhill?? Seems like I hear more and more folks saying they have had problems. Honest question. I donít hunt much in daylight anymore, so Iím out of the know I guess


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