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Have to love east texas #7000743
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Until this weekend I'd only managed to get off work once to go hunting. Finally get to the place late friday night, get set up in the stand and about 30 minutes after daylight have a doe run across in front of me like her hairs on fire. 40 yards behind her came to hog dogs running right behind her. Now I've heard a million times that they "cain't control where the dogs run", but these looked like they had either shock or gps collars on and were running deer on private property.

Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7000843
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there is a solution to that problem...........Some may not like it but it will put a end to it....There was a huge debate about this years ago....Me personally
catch one of them....turn the collar off
call the warden
let him come out and turn it back on and let them come on the property to find it....
Trespassing to start off with ....

Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7001774
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Originally Posted By: kk66
Until this weekend I'd only managed to get off work once to go hunting. Finally get to the place late friday night, get set up in the stand and about 30 minutes after daylight have a doe run across in front of me like her hairs on fire. 40 yards behind her came to hog dogs running right behind her. Now I've heard a million times that they "cain't control where the dogs run", but these looked like they had either shock or gps collars on and were running deer on private property.


I'm never interested in more regulation of anything but stories like this make me wonder if hunting hogs with dogs will remain legal.

Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7001780
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Ha ha ha I had a similar experience years ago the only year I ever hunted in the pine timber. That was when I found out a lot of them East Texas boyz had a lease that started at the Sabine and ended at the Rio Grande. Nope don't want any part of it.

Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7001796
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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Have to love east texas [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #7002003
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Simple answer to that problem at that moment


"Welcome to the desert of the real."
End of discussion and self analysis. Shoot the guilty and move on. Death is the only faithful thing in life.
Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7002132
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I had hog doggers once. It is one of the most maddening things that can happen while you are hunting.
They trespass on purpose, and they know they are doing it, then make every excuse in the world.



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Re: Have to love east texas [Re: Simple Searcher] #7002137
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Originally Posted By: Simple Searcher
They trespass on purpose, and they know they are doing it, then make every excuse in the world.


They raise 'em up that way. We're in the middle of negotiating an offer made by the neighbor to buy our share of the surface of a small tract that's been in our family since 1899. Once that's done, I'll be shed of that country for good, 'cept for the small amount of "mailbox money" from royalties off some horizontal lines underneath it. Good riddance. To quote a line from the movie Bernie, "Them people got more tattoos than teeth."


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Re: Have to love east texas [Re: Creekrunner] #7002189
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They trespass on purpose, and they know they are doing it, then make every excuse in the world.


They raise 'em up that way. We're in the middle of negotiating an offer made by the neighbor to buy our share of the surface of a small tract that's been in our family since 1899. Once that's done, I'll be shed of that country for good, 'cept for the small amount of "mailbox money" from royalties off some horizontal lines underneath it. Good riddance. To quote a line from the movie Bernie, "Them people got more tattoos than teeth."




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Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7002444
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I'm generally not if favor of more laws, but we have got have better reinforcement of the ones on the books already. Trespassing needs to be aggressively prosecuted, and that includes trespass by dogs. DAs need to be willing required to prosecute based upon picture or video evidence. Virtually every county in Texas has a leash law.

I would also support a clarification to the existing law on dogs harassing livestock to include wild game on private property.


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Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7002460
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Born and raised in east TX - do all my WT hunting on my place there now.

Yep, thereís problem children there. And, yep, youíve got to be aggressive in combatting them. That means cooperation among neighbors by getting to know them (instead of viewing them all as scum), aggressive monitoring of your place, and prosecuting the bad guys. Same as with any other place anywhere else in the state. East TX seems worse to some because thereís more people there and generally more and smaller tracts of land than in other places.

Thereís scum everywhere-and good folks everywhere too. A lot of the generalizations are just folks wanting to lift themselves up by putting other regional groups down.


Originally Posted By: Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7002461
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Could you shoot the dogs?



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Re: Have to love east texas [Re: ChadTRG42] #7002470
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Could you shoot the dogs?


Not without some real risks.

Why shoot dogs just doing what they are bred/trained to do? These arenít feral packs. The people are the problem-not the dogs.



Originally Posted By: Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Have to love east texas [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #7002475
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Born and raised in east TX - do all my WT hunting on my place there now.

Yep, thereís problem children there. And, yep, youíve got to be aggressive in combatting them. That means cooperation among neighbors by getting to know them (instead of viewing them all as scum), aggressive monitoring of your place, and prosecuting the bad guys. Same as with any other place anywhere else in the state. East TX seems worse to some because thereís more people there and generally more and smaller tracts of land than in other places.

Thereís scum everywhere-and good folks everywhere too. A lot of the generalizations are just folks wanting to lift themselves up by putting other regional groups down.
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Re: Have to love east texas [Re: kk66] #7002521
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If the dogs are chasing whitetail on your property you are within your rights to shoot them, and that is exactly what I would have done.

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Originally Posted By: DocHorton
If the dogs are chasing whitetail on your property you are within your rights to shoot them, and that is exactly what I would have done.


Problem solved. Problem stayin solved.

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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Why shoot dogs just doing what they are bred/trained to do? These arenít feral packs. The people are the problem-not the dogs.


Because you can't shoot the trashy people that own them?

Re: Have to love east texas [Re: maximus_flavius] #7002549
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Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
Originally Posted By: DocHorton
If the dogs are chasing whitetail on your property you are within your rights to shoot them, and that is exactly what I would have done.


Problem solved. Problem stayin solved.


These are 2 of the dumbest comments i've ever read on THF. It solves nothing, and instigates a situation with someone who clearly is a dumb [censored] to begin with.

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Originally Posted By: Esh and Hattie
Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
Originally Posted By: DocHorton
If the dogs are chasing whitetail on your property you are within your rights to shoot them, and that is exactly what I would have done.


Problem solved. Problem stayin solved.


These are 2 of the dumbest comments i've ever read on THF. It solves nothing, and instigates a situation with someone who clearly is a dumb [censored] to begin with.


I bet those dogs won't come back on that property though.

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You're so right. Fantastic solution.

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Originally Posted By: Esh and Hattie
You're so right. Fantastic solution.


They are a huge problem anywhere there are hogs. Make it a felony and it will stop pretty quick. Hog doggers with repect for property lines are few.

Another solution is to remove the collars a few miles from your property and take the dogs to an animal shelter. Or....so I've been told.


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I could never shoot somebodyís dogs because I know how Iíd react if someone shot mine. Iíd find and talk with the dogs owner. You might find a hearty supply of pork in your freezer for your trouble.


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Iíd have a problem shooting someoneís dog or dogs. Iíd try reason and common sense with the owners. If that didnít work iíd try the legal approach. If that didnít work, then I would be down to one workable solution, and by then iíd be mad enough and serious enough to do it.

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Was not trying to bag on East Texas in my original post or even all dog hunters, grew up there and love it like no place on earth and will be back there for good as soon as the wife and I are retired and I'm old enough to remember going hound hunting for deer with my grandfather there.

I think its very grey area whether I could've shot the dogs. Certainly believe I legally could have it they were chasing livestock and probably would have done so in that event without hesitation. I've always kind of viewed dogs as like kids. If I'm not able to control my kids in a certain setting such as a funeral or social function then I'm not going to take them there. So to me that leaves two possibilities, Either the dog owner couldn't control his dogs to work close enough and follow commands in which case he shouldn't have been hunting with them close to property lines or Two, he simply didn't care. Either case makes it much more of the dog owner's fault than the dog's.

Edit to add: We've got national forest bordering us on two sides, and over the years most of the few problems we've had with trespassers have come in from those two sides rather than from the private neighbors. And that is the direction that the dogs and the doe were running from. So there isn't really any one specific person that I could talk to about it. Short answer is that as soon as I get the money those two sides of the place are getting high fenced.

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I could never shoot somebodyís dogs because I know how Iíd react if someone shot mine. Iíd find and talk with the dogs owner. You might find a hearty supply of pork in your freezer for your trouble.


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