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Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! #6987525 12/08/17 12:08 AM
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I've been talking about these crappy rings/bases for several years now, and I finally got another rifle in that had some holding zero issues and would not shoot well. So, I am taking some pictures of the rings/bases to show the exact problems with this set up. I have seen this on multiple rifles, and I have to pass on this info. This style of rear windage screws that clamp onto the ring "ears" do not work! They will not hold zero! I have seen many rifles with these rings/bases that will not hold zero and will often times be off their zero, sometimes severely off, with no warning. Granted, most of the rifles I have seen these issues were on a magnum rifle. These rings/bases came off a light weight 300 Wby Mag with a BIG Leupold scope on it. So what's happening is there is a lot of recoil since the rifle is light weight. The scope is a big scope, so there's a lot of weight up top. During recoil, the scope wants to stay in place while the rifle recoils to the rear. There is a lot of force in this one area on the rear windage screw and ring "ears". The result is picture below.

The number one problem of bases/rings that I see is this style of rear windage screw base and ring "ear" set up. Every gun counter in America has a pair of them on the shelf and they are dirt cheap. I highly do NOT recommend this style of rings and bases.

Picture #1- A standard set of rear windage and front dove tail rings and bases.
Picture #2- You can see the rear windage screws of the base clamping onto the "ears" of the rings. If you look close, you can see some slight daylight or uneven area in the front of the ring.
Picture #3- you can see where the windage screw clamps onto the "ears" of the ring, and there's some shiny spots from the movement of the "ears".
Picture #4- This shows the movement of the "ears" and how they are bending in the rear windage screws. I have seen these "ears" sheer completely off in some cases.
Picture #5- Addition view of the bending of the "ears"

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I agree wholeheartedly, these are a very poor choice. In truth and fairness, I have seen them work well in numerous instances...but in my opinion every one of these rigs, no matter how well each was working at the time, was just a failure waiting to happen.


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Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42] #6987574 12/08/17 12:49 AM
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An abomination! Like river rider, I have seen them work well, but I have also seen guys shoot up a lot of ammo trying to sight in a rifle before giving up, then either blame the scope or the rifle. they are particularly susceptible to the ham fisted guy who goes with gorilla tight.

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Flat toothpicks are an abomination, too.

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Originally Posted By: Smokey Bear
An abomination! Like redchevy I have seen them work well, but I have also seen guys shoot up a lot of ammo trying to sight in a rifle before giving up, then either blame the scope or the rifle. they are particularly susceptible to the ham fisted guy who goes with gorilla tight.



I am not redchevy. I think you owe him an apology.

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Oops! Fixed it. My sincerest apologies to all. They are still an abomination. Must have been distracted. It just started to snow and that happens very seldom in my neck of the woods.


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I've never had a problem with mine.


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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
I've never had a problem with mine.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I've been talking about these crappy rings/bases for several years now, and I finally got another rifle in that had some holding zero issues and would not shoot well.


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Man lots of bubbas and booger pickers are going to be upset you called their baby ugly

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
I've never had a problem with mine.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I've been talking about these crappy rings/bases for several years now, and I finally got another rifle in that had some holding zero issues and would not shoot well.


rolleyes
This was my dad even after the issues we had at last year's Hunting Rifle comp. Changed them out to just normal 2-piece Weaver base and Zeiss rings. Zero issues since.

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I'm sure there are some of these rings on rifles that are working just fine, at the moment. But... If you know there is a known issue with a rifle holding zero, would you still use them? These rings are about $30. Hunters spend THOUSANDS of dollars on lease, trips, gas, food, ammo... only to leave them self wide open for rifle disappointment. I had (note, HAD) these rings on a rifle a long time ago. I battled a wondering POI, and didn't know why. Now I know why, and I'm passing along this info. Again, this is the only one I have documented with pictures and info on it. I've had MANY rifles come through the door with these rings having an issue. It's not an isolated incident.

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LOL! My round one's wouldn't stay in place!



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What bases for a Remy 700 sa would you recommend?


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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
Originally Posted By: Smokey Bear
An abomination! Like redchevy I have seen them work well, but I have also seen guys shoot up a lot of ammo trying to sight in a rifle before giving up, then either blame the scope or the rifle. they are particularly susceptible to the ham fisted guy who goes with gorilla tight.



I am not redchevy. I think you owe him an apology.

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I laughed earlier when I read that.


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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
Man lots of bubbas and booger pickers are going to be upset you called their baby ugly

Very true Princess. Very true. We call that unfortunately you picked the wrong chit.


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Originally Posted By: BassCat'99
What bases for a Remy 700 sa would you recommend?


EGW rail with Seekins rings 2cents


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Dual Dovetails or Warne steel bases with Burris Zee rings would work fine too. And tjey don't cost much more than junky adjustable windage setups either.


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An abomination! Like redchevy I have seen them work well, but I have also seen guys shoot up a lot of ammo trying to sight in a rifle before giving up, then either blame the scope or the rifle. they are particularly susceptible to the ham fisted guy who goes with gorilla tight.





I am not redchevy. I think you owe him an apology.

banana


I laughed earlier when I read that.


That was the intent. I wasn't gittin on yer case, Smokey Bear! Just razzin ya.


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I've had good luck with Talley lightweight 2 piece & DNZ one piece / game reaper on Rem 700's.

I have Leupold dual dove tail on my most accurate rifle, not what I like but what I had on hand when I mounted the scope.

I agree with Chad, poor quality rings & bases cause more accuracy & consistancy problems than just about anything else.

Of course I understand that some folks would consider what I use to be crapola.

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Man lots of bubbas and booger pickers are going to be upset you called their baby ugly


You mad Bro?...

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Had a rifle with the Leupold one piece base that wouldn't zero one time, took the scope off and one of the rings was loose and wobbled in the base. Haven't used Leupolds since.


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I see my name has already been brought up here lol

Have 6 rifles using those the oldest around 30 years old the newest about 15. No problems what so ever with them.

Personally I will probably not buy any more because other styles are easier and apparently better according to many, but I'm not going to change any of them out either and highly doubt I will ever see a problem with them. I think there is a difference in acceptable for a hunting rifle with a light small 3x9 and a 2 pound monster with someone cranking on the turrets 24/7 also. I also don't use the scope as a carry handle and never will no matter what rings/bases are on it.


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I have two hunting rifles (25-06 and 7 mag) that had those bases and I've replaced both with pic rails and good rings over the past couple of years. I didn't have a problem with either, but I wasn't taking any chances.


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I have five or six rifles with this type of base and ring and have not had a problem. I suspect the screws can be over-torqued and damage the ears if one isn't careful. Also, using the screws to adjust windage seems like a giant no-no that can cause other problems.

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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I've been talking about these crappy rings/bases for several years now, and I finally got another rifle in that had some holding zero issues and would not shoot well. So, I am taking some pictures of the rings/bases to show the exact problems with this set up. I have seen this on multiple rifles, and I have to pass on this info. This style of rear windage screws that clamp onto the ring "ears" do not work! They will not hold zero! I have seen many rifles with these rings/bases that will not hold zero and will often times be off their zero, sometimes severely off, with no warning. Granted, most of the rifles I have seen these issues were on a magnum rifle. These rings/bases came off a light weight 300 Wby Mag with a BIG Leupold scope on it. So what's happening is there is a lot of recoil since the rifle is light weight. The scope is a big scope, so there's a lot of weight up top. During recoil, the scope wants to stay in place while the rifle recoils to the rear. There is a lot of force in this one area on the rear windage screw and ring "ears". The result is picture below.

The number one problem of bases/rings that I see is this style of rear windage screw base and ring "ear" set up. Every gun counter in America has a pair of them on the shelf and they are dirt cheap. I highly do NOT recommend this style of rings and bases.

Picture #1- A standard set of rear windage and front dove tail rings and bases.
Picture #2- You can see the rear windage screws of the base clamping onto the "ears" of the rings. If you look close, you can see some slight daylight or uneven area in the front of the ring.
Picture #3- you can see where the windage screw clamps onto the "ears" of the ring, and there's some shiny spots from the movement of the "ears".
Picture #4- This shows the movement of the "ears" and how they are bending in the rear windage screws. I have seen these "ears" sheer completely off in some cases.
Picture #5- Addition view of the bending of the "ears"

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Chad,

I mucho agree. Those bases and rings are a step above duct taping your scope to your receiver. I have sheered several of them off, and will never use them again.

I prefer my bases/rings to be like a 9" Ford rear end. They may not be the sexiest thing out there, but they aren't going to be the weakest link on my rig.


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Originally Posted By: Texasteach

Chad,

I mucho agree. Those bases and rings are a step above duct taping your scope to your receiver. I have sheered several of them off, and will never use them again.

I prefer my bases/rings to be like a 9" Ford rear end. They may not be the sexiest thing out there, but they aren't going to be the weakest link on my rig.


Curiosity, what guns/calibers? What scopes? What do you do to them? Who put them on?


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