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16-18” barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ? #6955495
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Im enjoying the recent threads on short 7mm-08 rifles, and now I’m thinking on starting my own short, suppressed bolt gun. For hunting and general fun shooting.

I would most likely use a Tikka CTR as this will be most affordable way to get a barreled action that’s almost guaranteed to shoot. This limits my choices to 6.5 creed or 308. I have one in 6.5 cm already with a 20” barrel, but I think I still want a shorter one.

So for a handy 17” bolt gun, 308 or 6.5 ?

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6.5 Creedmoor.

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Re: 16-18” barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ? [Re: Anton Chigurh] #6955538
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Bullets matter wayyyyyyyyy more than headstamps and nothing .308",will hang with a .264" 147 ELD...when talking like-ish powder capacity. Hell,an '06 won't hang with a Kreedmire,due the projectile mass incurred to equate a like BC.

'Course,I hate 308's and am cursed with a herd of 'em................

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
6.5 Creedmoor.

Do you hand load?


Yessir, I do

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Bullets matter wayyyyyyyyy more than headstamps and nothing .308",will hang with a .264" 147 ELD...when talking like-ish powder capacity. Hell,an '06 won't hang with a Kreedmire,due the projectile mass incurred to equate a like BC.

'Course,I hate 308's and am cursed with a herd of 'em................


Ok, y’all convinced me. Kreedmire it is then...

I’ll just need to decide whether 17” is enough of an improvement in handiness over my current 20” to warrant another rifle. I’ll be running a TBAC ultra 7, or an SAS Barricade.

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17" all the way.

Who gives a [censored] about another click or two on the erector,at the 1000yd line or beyond.............

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for a shortie, I think a 308 is a better choice..
I am taking a CTR in 308 to 16"
my long range gun is a custom 6.5 Creedmoor and I am definitely a fan but I think for a shortie 308 makes better since. You might have seen my post about a 7mm08 17" project that I am very happy with.


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Re: 16-18” barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ? [Re: ccoker] #6955634
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I have seen your recent posts Charles, as well as JGs. Both of these 7mm-08 builds look great and have me thinking along the same lines.

I’ll be looking forward to seeing what you do with your tikka 308

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Nothing wrong with a 16" .308. By the way, if you're chopping one, go as short as you can without SBR paperwork, which is 16". I wanted mine 16", but my Smith's lathe won't let him cut one that short. I have a 6" .308 but in an AR platform. When you lose barrel, you lose velocity, so I went with a 155 gr bullet, instead of my usual 178 gr in a .308 Win. It'll get the job done.



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All of my bolt action hunting rifles are 16.25". Makes for a handy package especially with a can. Unless you are hunting at extreme distances you won't miss the inches.

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Originally Posted By: ccoker
for a shortie, I think a 308 is a better choice..
I am taking a CTR in 308 to 16"
my long range gun is a custom 6.5 Creedmoor and I am definitely a fan but I think for a shortie 308 makes better since. You might have seen my post about a 7mm08 17" project that I am very happy with.



At like barrel lengths,the 308 can never begin to hang with a Kreedmire..............

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Nothing wrong with a 16" .308. By the way, if you're chopping one, go as short as you can without SBR paperwork, which is 16". I wanted mine 16", but my Smith's lathe won't let him cut one that short. I have a 6" .308 but in an AR platform. When you lose barrel, you lose velocity, so I went with a 155 gr bullet, instead of my usual 178 gr in a .308 Win. It'll get the job done.



147 ELD's absolutely DESTROY both of those .308" projectiles.

I love Skinners and shoot 'em a "smidge".(grin)



But there is no way to make a 308Win hang in the same Universe,as a Kreedmire.

None...............

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Well, you are wrong, with your "none".



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Swing for the fence,it will be funny...............

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First of all, you are not the only one around here that knows a thing or two, new guy. And it is alredy showing, you will not be here long. You, like some before you, are temporary, and won't even be a bad memory.

"hint...."

The .308 can deliver more energy than the 6.5 Creedmoor from the muzzle to 500 yards, depending on how both are loaded. Only after 500, does the 6.5 Creedmoor deliver more energy. And most people around here do not care about energy delivey past the quarter mile mark, because they won't be taking a shot that far anyway.



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If I were going the short barrel route think I would look at the 300 RCM... just to stir a little more.


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Tell yourself what you must.

"Energy" is a fictitious "indicator",because it measures everything that does NOT matter and NOTHING that does. I'd liken it akin to SD,which a Fable of like proportion(s). In FACT,all projectiles of like diameter and mass,arriving the scene at like speeds,will generate IDENTICAL "energy",while also happening to share IDENTICAL SD values,though their integrity/terminal effects more than run the gamut in a broad spectrum. Hint. You'll wanna read that again. Re-hint.

You were going to "tell" me how a 308 was gonna "outperform" a Kreedmire and I mentioned in passing,that it was gonna get funny,if only because Facts and Physics preclude that Delusion,to be Reality.

Hint.

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Originally Posted By: DStroud
If I were going the short barrel route think I would look at the 300 RCM... just to stir a little more.



Bullets matter more than headstamps and it is never not amazing,how very few can understand that simplistic constant.

Hint............

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When ballistic calculators can predict velocity decay, time of flight, wind drift, elevation correction needed, AND ft/lbs of energy, I am inclined to believe that column as well.

And I've personally seen ft/lbs in real life on my range, from name the cartridge. .308s have ripped steel off hangers at the closer ranges. Never has a 6.5 Creedmoorripped on off.

So back to my original statement, you are wrong.



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I needn't a "calculator",I've simply got it all and am afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess.

Hint...............

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
First of all, you are not the only one around here that knows a thing or two, new guy. And it is alredy showing, you will not be here long. You, like some before you, are temporary, and won't even be a bad memory.

"hint...."

The .308 can deliver more energy than the 6.5 Creedmoor from the muzzle to 500 yards, depending on how both are loaded. Only after 500, does the 6.5 Creedmoor deliver more energy. And most people around here do not care about energy delivey past the quarter mile mark, because they won't be taking a shot that far anyway.




just because you have been on here for a long time does not mean you are always correct and this is one of those situations that you are incorrect if all things are equal the 308 only carries 25 more pounds of energy at 400 yards shooting a larger bullet that's barely enough to coldcock a cockroachand ,if you shoot a bullet close to the same size as the Creed wins again! I can back this up with all the particulars because I have both calibers in short barrels but I am not going to do that much typing. Just because somebody is new on this site does not mean that they do not know as much as you or even more.

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It's never been tough to cypher,who shoots and who don't................(grin)

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Originally Posted By: redmist1
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
First of all, you are not the only one around here that knows a thing or two, new guy. And it is alredy showing, you will not be here long. You, like some before you, are temporary, and won't even be a bad memory.

"hint...."

The .308 can deliver more energy than the 6.5 Creedmoor from the muzzle to 500 yards, depending on how both are loaded. Only after 500, does the 6.5 Creedmoor deliver more energy. And most people around here do not care about energy delivey past the quarter mile mark, because they won't be taking a shot that far anyway.




just because you have been on here for a long time does not mean you are always correct and this is one of those situations that you are incorrect if all things are equal the 308 only carries 25 more pounds of energy at 400 yards shooting a larger bullet that's barely enough to coldcock a cockroachand ,if you shoot a bullet close to the same size as the Creed wins again!I can back this up with all the particulars because I have both calibers in short barrels but I am not going to do that much typing


I have both. I was totally out of the .308 business for 3 years. And then, and now if I had to live with a 6.5 Creedmoor OR a .308 forever, I would pick the 6.5

Simple fact of the matter is, the .308 does in fact hit harder, when comparing equal barrel lengths.



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Hint.....Jes sayin'

(I didn't have anything more valuable to add, but really enjoying all the hinting)



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Cite the 308 Load that your Delusion(s) are predicated upon.

It will be funny.

Hint...............

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Originally Posted By: SnakeWrangler
Hint.....Jes sayin'

(I didn't have anything more valuable to add, but really enjoying all the hinting)



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Many folks cain't take a hint.

Hint..............

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