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Iím asking this because I honestly donít know answer, it doesnít matter to me, and not intended to start arguments. It seems like I remember reading, somewhere, that before high fence can be put in place, all native game must be driven off property.
1 is that accurate ?
2 is it enforced ?

Already tried google.....

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Youíve read that because some people do it and others would like it done, but it isnít required in Texas. Some states may require it.


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Ok thanks. Probably why I couldnít find anything about it

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I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.

Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.

That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property.


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Originally Posted By: therancher
I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.

Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.

That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property.


In the FantasyLand where this occurs, do the landowners now "own" the WT like any other exotic or livestock? They can hunt them 24/7/365? That would surely rustle some jimmies.

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Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
Originally Posted By: therancher
I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.

Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.

That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property.


In the FantasyLand where this occurs, do the landowners now "own" the WT like any other exotic or livestock? They can hunt them 24/7/365? That would surely rustle some jimmies.


Yes they do. At that point there are no seasons/bag limits. Makes perfect sense. Of course, at TPWD perfect sense is the rarest of species...

Oh, and it's no fantasy land. That's how it works in Michigan.

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Ideally when high fencing a ranch you want to get rid of any lesser genetics as to not mix with the new genetics brought into the property once the fence is up. This can be done by pushing out deer with vehicles or choppers, people etc.. I believe most just try to kill off what is left inside the fence once its up. X2 its not required in Texas.
I can see the positives for being required to remove the deer before the fence but negatives as well.


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Originally Posted By: Teal28
Ideally when high fencing a ranch you want to get rid of any lesser genetics as to not mix with the new genetics brought into the property once the fence is up. This can be done by pushing out deer with vehicles or choppers, people etc.. I believe most just try to kill off what is left inside the fence once its up. X2 its not required in Texas.
I can see the positives for being required to remove the deer before the fence but negatives as well.


That is only if you want to introduce genetics correctly.

Majority are not introducing. I know several hill country ranchs that fenced and with correct Ratioís, age structure and most importantly correct # to CC are taking native deer to 200lbs and 170-200Ē+.


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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Teal28
Ideally when high fencing a ranch you want to get rid of any lesser genetics as to not mix with the new genetics brought into the property once the fence is up. This can be done by pushing out deer with vehicles or choppers, people etc.. I believe most just try to kill off what is left inside the fence once its up. X2 its not required in Texas.
I can see the positives for being required to remove the deer before the fence but negatives as well.


That is only if you want to introduce genetics correctly.

Majority are not introducing. I know several hill country ranchs that fenced and with correct Ratioís, age structure and most importantly correct # to CC are taking native deer to 200lbs and 170-200Ē+.

I agree lots of outfits don't do it and have great results. My point was just generic. up


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Originally Posted By: therancher
I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.

Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.

That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property.


I would love to see that in TX.

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Originally Posted By: DUKFVR
I would love to see that in TX.


why?


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I would love to see that in TX.


why?


I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters.

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Originally Posted By: redchevy
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I would love to see that in TX.


why?


One thought could be this. Its his land and he doesn't want the "peoples" deer interfering with what he can and can't do.

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Originally Posted By: redchevy
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I would love to see that in TX.


why?


There is an obvious answer to this if you have read half of any HF thread here.

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I'd like it that way if I was investing all the money and time into the wildlife.

That is why currently IMO as a landowner it's a much riskier investment because you don't own or control WT deer like you do exotics.


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Out of pure curiosity , what would the appropriate value be for one of the peopleís deer?

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Originally Posted By: DUKFVR
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I would love to see that in TX.


why?


I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters.


Do you pay the state for its deer when you shoot one on a low fence property (other than a hunting license)? If I have to pay them for their deer inside my fence then I want them to pay me for their deer eating the vegetation on my property and drinking my surface water.


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Some of the most common large civil restitution charges involve deer illegally taken. The civil restitution fee for a buck whitetail starts with a "base" value of $881.50 with the final cost determined by the size of the buck's antlers, based on the Boone and Crockett Club scoring system. A person who illegally takes an especially large antlered buck can see a civil restitution charge of more than $10,000.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/outdo...ght-6858432.php

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Originally Posted By: SherpaPhil
From TPWD, numbers are dated, but probably not far off:

White-tailed deer: $163 female, $525.50 male, $3,025.50 for a 150 B&C score Trophy White-tailed deer

https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/releases/?req=20040202f


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From TPWD, numbers are dated, but probably not far off:

White-tailed deer: $163 female, $525.50 male, $3,025.50 for a 150 B&C score Trophy White-tailed deer

https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/releases/?req=20040202f



That has a criminal aspect built in as a deterrent.

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I would love to see that in TX.


why?


I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters.


Do you pay the state for its deer when you shoot one on a low fence property (other than a hunting license)? If I have to pay them for their deer inside my fence then I want them to pay me for their deer eating the vegetation on my property and drinking my surface water.


You get tags when you buy your license that limit what each person is allowed to take. I think you should get that number free, but anything above, you're paying.

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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
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From TPWD, numbers are dated, but probably not far off:

White-tailed deer: $163 female, $525.50 male, $3,025.50 for a 150 B&C score Trophy White-tailed deer

https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/releases/?req=20040202f



That has a criminal aspect built in as a deterrent.



I don't disagree that it does, but it is not supposed to. Those numbers are in addition to criminal fines and are meant to represent the cost to the state of "raising" that animal. That is why it is considered a civil fine. No clue how they came up with it, or how close it is to the real cost.

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Originally Posted By: DUKFVR
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I would love to see that in TX.


why?


I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters.


What about ranches like the king, pitchfork, etc that have 1000ís of deer that are trapped via just pure land owner ship size?

Iím all for purchase if behind fence, Iím just curious as to where the line gets drawn.

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