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Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 10:37 AM
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tlk
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 12:00 PM
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maximus_flavius
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Wow. 18,000 acres.
Tell those dummies at PETA & HSUS to mind their own business.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 12:07 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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I miss the old GM there, she didn’t play with slanted reporting, author did a disservice to his peice quoting and organization that hasn’t spent 1 dollar on habitat or conservation in general
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 12:44 PM
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It remains to be seen if national media outlets pick up the story and run with it. There's no question that Texas has become a unique place when it comes to hunting tactics.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 12:52 PM
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Nogalus Prairie
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New York Times is national media.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 12:53 PM
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Pitchfork Predator
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Very impressive ranch.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 12:55 PM
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New York Times is national media.
Missed that. Now it's just a matter of sit and wait to see what happens next.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 01:00 PM
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They filmed an episode of "Naked and Afraid" on that ranch.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 01:22 PM
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huntwest
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Who care what paper picks it up. What will happen is the more than run the article the better their business will be! I want to go there and drive a tank and shoot a car!
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 01:48 PM
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Pretty amazing to me that leftists wish there were fewer of these animals. Without the hunting market, the herds on that ranch would not exist.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 02:03 PM
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 02:04 PM
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Pretty amazing to me that leftists which there were fewer of these animals. Without the hunting market, the herds on that ranch would not exist. Exactly. The leftist hypocrisy is more than I can bear.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 02:07 PM
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Pretty amazing to me that leftists which there were fewer of these animals. Without the hunting market, the herds on that ranch would not exist. It doesn't matter what we or the leftists think about what happens on this ranch. What matters most is what those in the middle who constitute the non-hunting majority think and feel about it.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 02:17 PM
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Pretty amazing to me that leftists which there were fewer of these animals. Without the hunting market, the herds on that ranch would not exist. It doesn't matter what we or the leftists think about what happens on this ranch. What matters most is what those in the middle who constitute the non-hunting majority think and feel about it. I agree with that. But a main point to be made to those people is this: without the hunting market, those herds of animals (including any endangered ones) would not exist. The hunting market not only funds the conservation, but is the only reason someone would/could spend the money to cultivate those herds.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 02:44 PM
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Pretty amazing to me that leftists which there were fewer of these animals. Without the hunting market, the herds on that ranch would not exist. It doesn't matter what we or the leftists think about what happens on this ranch. What matters most is what those in the middle who constitute the non-hunting majority think and feel about it. I agree with that. But a main point to be made to those people is this: without the hunting market, those herds of animals (including any endangered ones) would not exist. The hunting market not only funds the conservation, but is the only reason someone would/could spend the money to cultivate those herds. Studies have shown the non-hunting majority have always looked favorably on hunting. However, my gut feeling is that their opinions are based on the traditional challenges of free chase methods. I'm not sure this will hold true once more people become aware that free chase has been often replaced with wait for something to show up and eat once a feeder goes off.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 03:16 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Pretty amazing to me that leftists which there were fewer of these animals. Without the hunting market, the herds on that ranch would not exist. It doesn't matter what we or the leftists think about what happens on this ranch. What matters most is what those in the middle who constitute the non-hunting majority think and feel about it. I agree with that. But a main point to be made to those people is this: without the hunting market, those herds of animals (including any endangered ones) would not exist. The hunting market not only funds the conservation, but is the only reason someone would/could spend the money to cultivate those herds. Studies have shown the non-hunting majority have always looked favorably on hunting. However, my gut feeling is that their opinions are based on the traditional challenges of free chase methods. I'm not sure this will hold true once more people become aware that free chase has been often replaced with wait for something to show up and eat. Studies do show hunting is looked favorable by the non-hunting public. Studies shows that the grip and grin photo is bad, conservation truths and food to plate is good. Method or methodology of method is actually on the low end of the scale, unless you are a fellow hunter that likes to berate and mock your hunting peers. Tastefulness in how you tell the story goes a long ways. Josh bowmar would of had a completely different response had he taken the time and did his spear bear kill in a more tasteful journey and not mindless savage. Ironically one of the studies out there found “population control” to be the worst agruement for hunting. Now if you add to it and explain hunting has legalities and regulations to support proper selected herd balance that insurer continued sustainably #’s for human consumption , they agruement starts to be viewed more favorable(even though the they same the same thing).... Key words/thoughts;. “Legal regulated” hunting leads to a “sustainable/ continued food source” for humans... Studies show that time lapse videos of villagers on a elephant cracass leads most people to support elephant hunting, when the are told in conjunction, that elephant hunting is regulated to support sustainability and not a free for all. No such thing as traditional free chase method it’s a farse.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 03:56 PM
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'Serves no good purpose to let the media, especially the NYT, on your place. Owners let their egos get ahead of common sense.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 04:27 PM
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Free range/fair chase vs. hunting confined animals is not a "method/methodology" debate.
If pens didn't exist, articles like this wouldn't be possible.
And saying fair chase is a farce i.e."There's no such thing as fair chase anyway, so everyone needs to just get OK with killing for killing's sake because they're all livestock anyway" is about the worst defense of hunting I've ever heard.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 05:11 PM
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People have been hunting over bait for a long, long time. I don't think that's the real issue. *If* these animals are basically penned-up livestock, that's a different issue. 'Serves no good purpose to let the media, especially the NYT, on your place. Owners let their egos get ahead of common sense. I generally agree, but for this guy it may be good marketing.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 05:13 PM
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Studies do show hunting is looked favorable by the non-hunting public. Studies shows that the grip and grin photo is bad, conservation truths and food to plate is good.
Method or methodology of method is actually on the low end of the scale, unless you are a fellow hunter that likes to berate and mock your hunting peers.
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I find this stuff very interesting. Does anyone know where any of these studies (or summaries/reports on them) can be found?
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 06:00 PM
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Free range/fair chase vs. hunting confined animals is not a "method/methodology" debate.
If pens didn't exist, articles like this wouldn't be possible.
And saying fair chase is a farce i.e."There's no such thing as fair chase anyway, so everyone needs to just get OK with killing for killing's sake because they're all livestock anyway" is about the worst defense of hunting I've ever heard. I think it's a very accurate description. What's fair about hunting with a high powered rifle with a scope on it? Articles like this not possible? meh......highly doubt these articles would stop regardless of the type of fence. Comparing 18,000 acres to a pen is ignorant.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 06:10 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Free range/fair chase vs. hunting confined animals is not a "method/methodology" debate.
If pens didn't exist, articles like this wouldn't be possible.
And saying fair chase is a farce i.e."There's no such thing as fair chase anyway, so everyone needs to just get OK with killing for killing's sake because they're all livestock anyway" is about the worst defense of hunting I've ever heard. I was stupid and decided to toggle this users post since I thought you might actually be able to contribute something meaning full.... i was wrong Really. 90 perfect of those pics are of plains game. Rifle Hunting the American pronghorn antelope is so sporting?? Let’s not take into account that traditionally our forefathers killed meat to live... I’m sure they where all about “fair chase” or “free chase” making sure they and their kids ate. We have pages of regulations and tag lotteries because killing animals is so hard. If HF private land wasn’t fenced we wouldn’t have animals like that to write about and agrue about End of the day showing it went in your tummy and was completely utilized trumps you meathod mindset. A dead animal is a dead animal, key is full utilization People are very aware of high power scoped rifle’s capabilities, we need to do a better job presenting more then just a mount, and grip and grin photo.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 06:14 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Studies do show hunting is looked favorable by the non-hunting public. Studies shows that the grip and grin photo is bad, conservation truths and food to plate is good.
Method or methodology of method is actually on the low end of the scale, unless you are a fellow hunter that likes to berate and mock your hunting peers.
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I find this stuff very interesting. Does anyone know where any of these studies (or summaries/reports on them) can be found? Yes I can send some to you, I will have to do some digging, Lots of content
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 06:22 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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'Serves no good purpose to let the media, especially the NYT, on your place. Owners let their egos get ahead of common sense. They actually did a really good article on Jason Harrison(kuiu) sheep tag. I’m not sure how much he is paying his new media/digital firm but they are very very very good.
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Re: Austin paper this morning
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10/23/17 08:37 PM
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Studies do show hunting is looked favorable by the non-hunting public. Studies shows that the grip and grin photo is bad, conservation truths and food to plate is good.
Method or methodology of method is actually on the low end of the scale, unless you are a fellow hunter that likes to berate and mock your hunting peers.
I find this stuff very interesting. Does anyone know where any of these studies (or summaries/reports on them) can be found? My earlier comments are based on information that appears in a TPWD video that was given to me for use in teaching the Hunter Education course. It's the same video that speaks strongly on how hunters should take into account the attitudes of the non-hunting majority by being careful with photos taken and shared with others, and how hunters present themselves in public. Of course, some have scoffed at such sentiments as well. I will see if it's one of those the department makes available on YouTube. It also stated that studies have shown the majority of kids today do not look favorably on hunting. Obviously, that's not a good thing.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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