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Choke test = nothing new #6923891
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I tested a briley Muller comp n choke and a Carlson with 3" Remington BB's and Winchester expert #2 and federal BB's oh also used factory Beretta choke guess what they all patterned great 10 20 and 40yds no choke was better than the other.


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It seems there are a lot of guys on here that think your choke and shell combo put more ducks on the ground that's not really what you should be concentrated on I would say all the chokes and shells they make today work great


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I choked on some easy shots this year. grin


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Pick one bird out do not take your eyes off that one bird it does not matter if another bird ends up closer keep your eye on the first bird you picked out put the end of the barrel on the bird and pull the trigger


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I agree with both sides of the discussion. After putting it on paper the results will tell you what you should do. I find great results with a #4 #5 #6 pellet though an IC factory tube. Change any of those factors and you should go back to the paper to see how the changes affected the pattern.


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The more you practice the more you will learn your leads its not the choke or the shells your barell has to be in front of the bird she you shoot it all start with your eyes I always had a excuse why I did not shoot many birds no I know why I did not know how to shoot again practice practice practice


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Have you ever patterned a shell / choke combo that made you wonder if there are even pellets in the shell? I don't care what you aim at when it's like that. And please don't just say practice more, everyone knows practicing shooting and taking smart shots is a huge factor. If you're a good shot he shell and choke applications absolutely matter

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For ducks and geese over decoys I like IC. For snow geese I use a patternmaster.


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Originally Posted By: Esh and Hattie
Have you ever patterned a shell / choke combo that made you wonder if there are even pellets in the shell? I don't care what you aim at when it's like that. And please don't just say practice more, everyone knows practicing shooting and taking smart shots is a huge factor. If you're a good shot he shell and choke applications absolutely matter


This. Out of curiosity, I patterned some old, el cheapo Remington #6 game loads, and it made me wonder how I'd ever hit anything at all. When compared to the modern Remington XLR loads, they were downright pathetic. I'll grant you the new loads cost twice as much, but the money appeared to be very well spent from what I could see.


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You can try to convince yourself as much as you want. No one said practice doesn't play a large part in the grand scheme. However, I just patterned 3 different shotguns with 3 different chokes and 5 different shells. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt the shell/choke combination that someone uses will play a role in how many hits AND misses a person has at varying distances. Obviously you've found whatever you feel like works for you, so keep on keepin' on.

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I had 2 duck hunters a 2 years ago neither one have ever killed a pintail so ok I will put y'all on some nice sprigs. The night before we were talking about chokes and how they been to the range and they got really good results with their choke and shell combos. So guess what happened the next morning they missed from 15yds to 50yds could not hut a lick.


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One guy did not even have his cheek on the stock the other guy was shooting behind the birds big time. I ask both guys how much range time they had put in after they patterned their guns. IMHO seeing the bird and have your barrel in front of the bird and knowing how to do these 2 things consistently is 1000% more important than your pattern especially since the quality of the chokes made today are very good


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I'm shocked that the guy without his cheek on the stock couldn't hit anything

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best value is the Hevishot waterfowl pack
mid and extended range chokes

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Originally Posted By: bentman
One guy did not even have his cheek on the stock the other guy was shooting behind the birds big time. I ask both guys how much range time they had put in after they patterned their guns. IMHO seeing the bird and have your barrel in front of the bird and knowing how to do these 2 things consistently is 1000% more important than your pattern especially since the quality of the chokes made today are very good


OK I just have to bite. What would you have them change if they had a poor pattern with the shell choke combination? There are many factors in wingshooting, they all play an important role. Creating a good pattern and shot string are one of the important factors. Getting in front of the bird and swinging through the shot, is another. One without the other diminishes the shooter's capabilities.


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I have a lot of dove hunters and a few duck hunters hunt my place every year, every year hunters complain about not being able to shoot birds and the first thing out of there mouth is wrong choke should have bought different shells or I don't understand why I missed that duck I patterned my gun last week and the pattern look great just go to the range 2 or 3 times shoot some clays and your kill % will be higher than if you show up to hunt with your new choke and shells that you just patterned I see a lot of post on here about what choke / shells to buy but not many about actually shooting birds that's why I think while you are hunting you should pick one bird out an keep your EYES. On that one bird establish your lead and pull the trigger do not take your eye off that one single bird and if you go to the range and actually shoot some clays do the same thing keep your eye on the clay thru the shot this will help you 100 times more than shooting a patterning board with a nice pretty pattern


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you can lead and swing through with all with proper sight/target alignment and if you're pattern is crap then none of the best shooting in the world will matter. That being said, I really don't think you're reading and understanding what others are saying. No one is saying proper technique and practice is not a large part of success. But the statement that all chokes and shells are created equally and are not another part of the equation is ludicrous.

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the majority of the misses from the "average" hunter is from lack of skill....even though a quality shell/choke/gun combo might improve the % some. anyone who says the shells and chokes don't have probably never attempted to pattern a shotgun. because if they did they would probably wonder how they ever hit anything. I know everyone is into "in the decoys, feet down" shots these days, but with the right choke and shell put into the right gun, kill shots can be made with the same consistency as shots within 35

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I had a weapon that I couldn't hit squat with it. Put it on paper and it was blowing a hole in the center of the pattern. The paper looked like a donut hit it. switched it to an IC choke and went to smaller pellets. It fixed the problem. Bentman I do agree with you, there are a lot of folks that don't practice nor do they care to. I do still stand by my beliefs about having the proper equipment. The best race car driver in the world aint winning any races if his engine is missing on two or three cylinders. Same thing with wing shooters, you have to have decent equipment.


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I've never patterned a shotgun before, but I've never picked one up I couldn't hit with. I always buy the cheapest shells I can find and have only had problems with Suprema. They wouldn't cycle through my A5 20ga so I had to shoot them through an o/u.

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I think that you have a point. I do feel that some chokes
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