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Past on this "cull" last year. #6918372
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I took the safety off twice last October, but held off not having seen this deer before. We aged him at 2.5 and although he was only a six, he had better main beams and g2's than others in the age class, so he got the pass. First pic was Jan 2016, much improvement this year, still weak brows, but I'm going to give him the pass again this year and maybe next.. Something about those big 8's..
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Think we made the right call?

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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6918387
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Yes, I do think you made the right call.

Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6918499
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Don't get me wrong, I myself would have culled that one if there was anything with more potential coming around. Those brow tines are a no go on my place.

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Yes, and I would make that call again this year if you like big 8s.


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6918675
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If you think he was 2.5 then, you definitely made the right call. He had plenty of frame for a 2.5 particularly if you have heavy deer density. I'd pass him again this year too.




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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6918688
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Nope. Look at the hump over his shoulders, his hatchet azz and, if you still don't belive that deer is mature, look at his hocks in photo#1. Immature, even middle-aged bucks don't have staining like that.

He's post mature this year and reverting to a childlike appearance. Just like we do when we're ancient. Your 10 AUG '17 photo leaves no doubt about his age. At least in my pea brain.

Look at the dip between his antlers and the busted up, healed a dozen times face. Young deer have neither of those traits. THAT makes him...

"THE WINNER" roflmao

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I like a big 8. If he is better than the average 3 year old 8's in your area I would let him ride. He made a nice jump this year but age 4 should tell you a lot more. Cull from the bottom.


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: fouzman] #6918772
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Nope. Look at the hump over his shoulders, his hatchet azz and, if you still don't belive that deer is mature, look at his hocks in photo#1. Immature, even middle-aged bucks don't have staining like that.

He's post mature this year and reverting to a childlike appearance. Just like we do when we're ancient. Your 10 AUG '17 photo leaves no doubt about his age. At least in my pea brain.

Look at the dip between his antlers and the busted up, healed a dozen times face. Young deer have neither of those traits. THAT makes him...

"THE WINNER" roflmao


I understand your thought process. That first pic is deceiving IMO., but with him adding 15+ Inches this year, I'm convinced he's not on the decline...maybe I'm wrong.


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6919008
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He hasn't shed velvet yet and the two '17 pictures are much closer to the camera than the older ones, he really don't look much different to me.


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: redchevy] #6919019
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
He hasn't shed velvet yet and the two '17 pictures are much closer to the camera than the older ones, he really don't look much different to me.


Except he has G3's this year.. added a little to the mains, width and mass. I'll see if I can grab a pic this weekend out of velvet..


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6919070
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He went from a 6 to an 8 with basically the same frame. I don't think he really added mass. He'll still look very think once he sheds velvet.

I don't think you really gained a whole lot, but he's a pretty deer. It's not really making a statement either way.

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Ill blame poor pic quality, I didn't notice he was just a six in the first set. I would have busted him last year and this years pictures is my reasoning for why.


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6920048
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I will say this about my personal experiance/experiments with culling.


I let far, far more deer walk than I should have, than ones that I shot and shouldn't have.

You are getting fooled by his width imo. He has no brow tines and will be a thin horn deer.

Depends on where you are hunting on my hill country lease that buck is a dandy and my kids or wife would be happy to take him. On the ranch he would get shot withought a second thought

If you are a smaller to mid size low fence ranch I would do whatever you want in all honesty it won't make a difference either way unless you just want to get a mouth off the place


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: txtrophy85] #6920063
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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
I will say this about my personal experiance/experiments with culling.


I let far, far more deer walk than I should have, than ones that I shot and shouldn't have.

You are getting fooled by his width imo. He has no brow tines and will be a thin horn deer.

Depends on where you are hunting on my hill country lease that buck is a dandy and my kids or wife would be happy to take him. On the ranch he would get shot withought a second thought

If you are a smaller to mid size low fence ranch I would do whatever you want in all honesty it won't make a difference either way unless you just want to get a mouth off the place





I agree with this. In reality, while folks have a lot of fun and put a lot of energy into discussions like this, free-range "culling" is doing only one thing: getting a mouth off the place.
Lots of overthinking going on too: he's a younger buck growing up and adding antler. That's pretty obvious.


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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6920082
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I probably should have added that we're not over populated, in fact, we've been rebuilding going on 7 years now. A 140 class deer would be a big deal around here.. most mature bucks are mid 120's-130.


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That deer is old .....Plug him.....

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Aright, y'all want to see an old deer? I chased him for 3 years.. never sealed the deal.



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Re: Past on this "cull" last year. [Re: Stevarino] #6920121
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I like letting the 3 yr. old bucks walk, however you said a 140" buck would be a big deal on your ranch, keep in mind he will most likely breed several does passing on his genetics. Just food for thought regarding your management plan.

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What do his peers look like?

How are you still rebuilding for 7 Years? Our property was decimated by overhunting the first year we had it we saw 3 deer total, we sat out shooting for 2 years and had over cc going into year 3 by surveys.


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Originally Posted By: redchevy
What do his peers look like?

How are you still rebuilding for 7 Years? Our property was decimated by overhunting the first year we had it we saw 3 deer total, we sat out shooting for 2 years and had over cc going into year 3 by surveys.


That must have been a long few years


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What do his peers look like?

How are you still rebuilding for 7 Years? Our property was decimated by overhunting the first year we had it we saw 3 deer total, we sat out shooting for 2 years and had over cc going into year 3 by surveys.


That must have been a long few years


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Originally Posted By: cameron00
He went from a 6 to an 8 with basically the same frame. I don't think he really added mass. He'll still look very think once he sheds velvet.

I don't think you really gained a whole lot, but he's a pretty deer. It's not really making a statement either way.


Same but id shoot him if you want a better deer i dont see him gaining anything else

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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
I will say this about my personal experiance/experiments with culling.


I let far, far more deer walk than I should have, than ones that I shot and shouldn't have.

You are getting fooled by his width imo. He has no brow tines and will be a thin horn deer.

Depends on where you are hunting on my hill country lease that buck is a dandy and my kids or wife would be happy to take him. On the ranch he would get shot withought a second thought

If you are a smaller to mid size low fence ranch I would do whatever you want in all honesty it won't make a difference either way unless you just want to get a mouth off the place





I agree with this. In reality, while folks have a lot of fun and put a lot of energy into discussions like this, free-range "culling" is doing only one thing: getting a mouth off the place.
Lots of overthinking going on too: he's a younger buck growing up and adding antler. That's pretty obvious.


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