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Finally got to the range to break in/sight in new 300WSM. Followed manufactures procedure to clean after every shot for first ten then every five for next 30. First 10 were 150 rem corelokt and shot great, next 10 same round also shot great, probably 3/4" for that load. next 20, 150 ballistic tips shot the worst, probably 1.5-1.75. Next 20 i rotated 165 TTSX and 165 Federal trophy copper - they shot about the same 1 - 1.25. I was running out of time so maybe i was just pulling the shots towards the end. Wind was consistent 8mph NW. I would shot the coreloks for hunting but we have nilgai and need a tougher bullet. I also have some double tap 175gr barnes LRX but was running out of time and didnt try them. Any recommendations for something tougher that the rifle may like as well?

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a heavier gr Ballistic Tip - 180 gr

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I would lean towards a bounded bullet for your Nilgai, like a 180 AB. A TSX bullet will also work, and will provide you with deep penetration, but less shock than a lead bullet. I prefer the lead bullets. Even the new controlled expansion ELD-X would be good. 178 or 200 grain ELD-X would do fine.



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Not saying it wont kill them but a ballistic tip wouldn't be on my list of recommended Nilgai bullets.

Partition, accubond, interbond, a-frame, fusion, or maybe some of the mono metal bullets, but like Chad I don't like them that much and fell like they deliver less shock.


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I tried 2 monos..the 165ttsx and 165 trophy copper but didn't shoot as well as 150 core lokt

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Remember, your rifle doesn't like or dislike a certain bullet. Your rifle likes or dislikes the load used with that bullet- meaning the powder and powder charge. If the bullet is adequately stable out of your barrel, than you can generally get that bullet to shoot well by tuning the load (powder and powder charge) to the rifle. With factory ammo, you are locked in to whatever they load. I provide custom ammunition that can be tuned to your rifle. I also sell a lot of match ammo that has been tuned to other rifles from previous load development, and piggy back this load data to my main match ammo.



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The cheap corelokt has pretty good terminal performance, and an enviable track record. Just don't push it too fast, and a 150 in a 300 wsm is moving. A 150 corelokt will kill a nilgai dead, but at close range, there are a lot better options for the 300 wsm. If you want to stick with a traditional cup and core bullet, heavier is the way to go. A 180 is a good choice out of a 300 WSM. If you want to shoot a 150, at 300wsm velocity, on big tough animals, a tougher premium bullet would hedge your bets. The mono-metals perform best when pushed hard, so if you are going light they would be a good choice. For nilgai the first bullet I would check out is the
180 Nosler Partition and not far behind it is the Accubond. If you can get the Partition to shoot, for terminal performance, it is the bullet that others are compared to. I personally think the various 300 magnums are at their best with heavy for caliber bullets.

As a side note: I think sometimes we get too caught up in all the hype that is bandied about concerning Bullets. I've shot too many animals with assorted weapons, to not believe it is mostly marksmanship and anatomical knowledge.

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thanks for the recommendations. Ill try these 175LRX and also got a box of 150TTSX to try this weekend.

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Originally Posted By: magspa
thanks for the recommendations. Ill try these 175LRX and also got a box of 150TTSX to try this weekend.


Pick up a box of those Nosler 180 Partitions, as well. They're a great bullet for your set-up and your intended quarry.

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Originally Posted By: magspa
Finally got to the range to break in/sight in new 300WSM. Followed manufactures procedure to clean after every shot for first ten then every five for next 30. First 10 were 150 rem corelokt and shot great, next 10 same round also shot great, probably 3/4" for that load. next 20, 150 ballistic tips shot the worst, probably 1.5-1.75. Next 20 i rotated 165 TTSX and 165 Federal trophy copper - they shot about the same 1 - 1.25. I was running out of time so maybe i was just pulling the shots towards the end. Wind was consistent 8mph NW. I would shot the coreloks for hunting but we have nilgai and need a tougher bullet. I also have some double tap 175gr barnes LRX but was running out of time and didnt try them. Any recommendations for something tougher that the rifle may like as well?


Could it be you're cleaning too much? FYI; barrel break in is a myth.

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You shot 60 rounds through a 300 WSM in one sitting. I used to own one myself. I'd say your barrel was HOT and you were flinching a little because ain't nothing fun about 60 rounds through that jackhammer. I'm gonna say I wouldn't blame the ammo for groups opening up unless you were waiting for it to cool down and you don't mind shooting a 300 WSM.



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Originally Posted By: tenyearsgone
Could it be you're cleaning too much? FYI; barrel break in is a myth.


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What rifle are you shooting, I may have missed it????


.300 Wissum, is a dang good Cartridge. Accubond , don't over think it.


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Here's a vote to stick with the 165 TTSX's.

Every rifle I tried TTSX's in, which is about a half dozen, shot great with the TTSX's 0.010" off of contact with the lands.

Try H4350 if you can find it. There was some listed in the Classifieds.

There should be a sweet spot around 65 - 67 grains, maybe a touch more depending on the rifle.

Try F210's, not magnum primers.


Chad,

I'll never use a TSX again. They are the only bullet I have ever had "pencil" through.

Shot a buck broadside through both shoulder blades. He ran more than 100 yards. There was no external evidence of even being shot.

After skinning, the wound channel was minimal with nice clean perfectly round holes in the shoulder blades. I swore off Barnes after that.

Finally gave the TTSX's a try and they have been wonderful for the last three years on pigs and deer.

The TTSX are very consistent, provide excellent terminal results, and now are my first choice.

The TTSX does best with an impact velocity of at least 2000 - 2200 fps, so punch the numbers to determine the maximum distance to maintain that velocity.





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Chad,

I'll never use a TSX again. They are the only bullet I have ever had "pencil" through.

Shot a buck broadside through both shoulder blades. He ran more than 100 yards. There was no external evidence of even being shot.

After skinning, the wound channel was minimal with nice clean perfectly round holes in the shoulder blades. I swore off Barnes after that.

Finally gave the TTSX's a try and they have been wonderful for the last three years on pigs and deer.

The TTSX are very consistent and provide excellent terminal results.

The TTSX does best with an impact velocity of at least 2000 - 2200 fps, so punch the numbers to determine the maximum distance to maintain that velocity.


Yes, I agree. The reason for the added polymer tip was 2 fold. 1- Increase BC (which is already low b/c it's a copper bullet), and 2- have a larger hollow point underneath to open up better, and at lower velocities.



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Chad,

I'll never use a TSX again. They are the only bullet I have ever had "pencil" through.

Shot a buck broadside through both shoulder blades. He ran more than 100 yards. There was no external evidence of even being shot.

After skinning, the wound channel was minimal with nice clean perfectly round holes in the shoulder blades. I swore off Barnes after that.

Finally gave the TTSX's a try and they have been wonderful for the last three years on pigs and deer.

The TTSX are very consistent and provide excellent terminal results.

The TTSX does best with an impact velocity of at least 2000 - 2200 fps, so punch the numbers to determine the maximum distance to maintain that velocity.


Yes, I agree. The reason for the added polymer tip was 2 fold. 1- Increase BC (which is already low b/c it's a copper bullet), and 2- have a larger hollow point underneath to open up better, and at lower velocities.


Chad,

why do you say the bc is lower because it is all copper?

Isnít bc solely a function of the shape of the bullet?


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The shape and the mass. For example, a baseball and a ping pong ball are the same shape, but the baseball loses velocity slower.

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The shape and the mass. For example, a baseball and a ping pong ball are the same shape, but the baseball loses velocity slower.


Yup. Lead is heavier = more inertia.



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I personally would not use a 150 Cor-Lokt for Nilgai, especially out of a Magnum. The 165 TTSX & the Trophy Cooper shot 1-1.25". I don't understand why you think that isn't plenty accurate for big game.

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Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
I personally would not use a 150 Cor-Lokt for Nilgai, especially out of a Magnum. The 165 TTSX & the Trophy Cooper shot 1-1.25". I don't understand why you think that isn't plenty accurate for big game.


I'd stick with the Barnes and Trophy Copper. I've had good results with both on everything from blackbuck to large plains game, Nilgai included. Not saying there aren't other great options but an inch out of a new rifle is good and wsm ammo is pretty pricey to play with.

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It is a Montana rifle co X2. I probably was flinching towards the end, shoulder was pretty raw just wearing t-shirt. I would shoot 2 or 3 in a row and let cool for a few minutes but still seemed pretty hot. I definitely wont use the 150 cor lokt going about 3300fps for nilgai. Nothing wrong with 1" group for big game rifle but damn i had 8 shots all touching with those cor lokts. Tried those 175 double tap LRX yesterday and shot well, an inch maybe less. Ill just stick with those for the season now. I agree thats too much cleaning but I was following their "break-in" procedure.

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It may settle down a bit after you've put some rounds through it and have some fouling in the barrel. Sounds like your in good shape for now

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