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Kid and Women's Rifles #6910675
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This time of year, we start thinking about a rifle for kids and/or the wife.

Above all other factors, make sure the rifle is scaled down to fit them. A shorter length of pull is a must have, but a slimmer grip, shorter barrel, and the eye relief on the scope fitted for them are important too. The 243 Win will kill deer and pigs reliably. The 260 or 6.5 CM are way more than enough for anyone with 100 - 120 gr bullets. Use a well constructed bullet such as the Barnes TTSX or Nosler Partitions because they may end taking a suboptimal shot and the heavier constructed bullets will penetrate better. My young nephew shot a 200 pound boar through the high shoudler while it was broadside. The 80 gr Barnes TTSX from his 243 penetrated through all the way and stopped inside the hide on the far side. I seen 7mm bullets not penetrate as well. It was the only Barnes I have ever seen recovered first hand. It was mangled, but it did its job well.

Keep in mind that a 60 pound boy or girl shooting a 80 grain bullet has felt recoil to them like a 180 pound man shooting a 240 grain bullet. That scale means put on a really good recoil pad and even a muzzle brake.

A good 22 and a bunch of ammo is great practice and a fun way to build good skills.

Last, don't push them. Try to keep it fun and low key. They are going to make sounds in the blind. They are going to fidget at the critical moment. So what. Let it go. They will remember just being with us as a great experience. The opposite is even more true, seeing my nephew sneak up on a pig and take his first buck are great moments in my life.

Let's get out there and have a good time.

This is a side view of an 80 grain Barnes TTSX from a 243 Win shot through the high shoulders of a 200 pound boar.




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Re: Kid and Women's Rifles [Re: jeffbird] #6910696
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Good short write up. However,

Last, push them. Believe you meant "don't push them"?

I don't understand how you relate the recoil other than multiplying by 3 ?


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Re: Kid and Women's Rifles [Re: jeffbird] #6910731
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Yes, meant don't push them. Corrected it now; thank you for the catch.

I meant the relative size of the 60 pound person trying to control the rifle with an 80 grain bullet is comparable to a person three times their size trying to control a rifle with three times as much recoil. The point I am trying to make is a 243 to a small child is a lot of recoil. Equip the rifle to reduce the recoil as much as possible for them.


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Re: Kid and Women's Rifles [Re: jeffbird] #6910733
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22-250 with 55gr Barnes is another good choice with much less recoil

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My oldest son was shooting a 6.5CM when he was 60-65lbs never had a problem. He is now about 85-90. My second to oldest has a broader build than him, he is now 60lbs and he is shooting a AR10 243 and other rifles up to a 6.5CM without any significant effect from recoil.

Re: Kid and Women's Rifles [Re: jeffbird] #6920664
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Well said, Jeff...

Re: Kid and Women's Rifles [Re: jeffbird] #6920788
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I cut down a 30-30 bolt gun for my grandson.
Virtually no recoil and 150 grains.

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Good info Jeff!

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This is a family favorite around our house...I took a ol contender frame my dad had in his stuff.. Put a M4 style buttstock and took a old wood forearm and painted it with flex seal. Stuck a 300 black out barrel with a AAC SD-N6 and--my kids love to shoot hogs, Axis, and whitetail we have around here...


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100% correct on all points, Jeff.

I'm on a project right now making a rifle for my youngest daughter, that is 9. I do not prefer chassis, but in this scenario, a chassis is a great option. The L.O.P. can quickly be shortened for her right now, it can be lengthened as she continues to grow, and it can be made to fit a grown man in seconds. Since I don't have one in the stable, it will be a 6.5X47 Lapua, with a brake. Kids don't like the noise, and a they also don't like big recoil. Ear protection is cheap, and I want the recoil to be mild. That is one more reason for the cartridge I'm choosing, and installing a brake.



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