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Savage MSR-10 hunter range report #6897367
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Finally made it to the range to try out the new rifle. Tried to do this the last trip out to the lease but ended up spending to much time fixing & filling deer feeders...

Tried two different kinds of ammo, each is written on the target. I would hoping it would do a little better, but I didn't get this rifle for making small groups. It will work plenty good for taking out hogs. I may try some other ammo, or reloading some for it to see if it will do better.





And just for fun, I took the Ruger American Rimfire Target, 100y using CCI SV. 30 rounds.

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With under 1.5 moa on the average it's pretty decent. Are these reloads?

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They were not reloads. Factory hornady match 168g ELD-M and hornady black 168g A-Max

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With a 1:10 5R barrel I would have expected a little better. I wonder if it will shoot better once you've got some more rounds through it.




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Both my savages shoot the 150 grain bullets better than 168s for what that is worth


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Good initial report. Thanks for sharing.


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There were only about 30 rounds fired before I shot the targets posted above. I'm hoping it will improve with more rounds fired, but my expectations of that happening are not high.

I plan on trying some 150-155g and 178g bullets to see how they perform. This afternoon I also remembered that the savage manual usually has a recommendation for ammo. My experience has been that what they recommend shoots well. Picture from the manual is below (I think it's the same manual for all MSR's). I'll post new target photos if the results are significantly different than the ones above.

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I'm suprised by the ammo recommendation for 6.5 Creedmoor

I'm thinking your going to see 1.5" at 100 for the Federal Fusion load as that is what I've gotten from it from 3 different Creedmoors .

I believe it's listed because the target market is hunters for that MsR therefore they chose a good hunting load (fusion bullet)...

Hopefully I'm wrong

P.S. - the 308 recommended load is not a Hunter optimal bullet which would seem to contradict my opinion however I'd say these manuals are cobbled together at various stages in development and perhaps they changed some goals internally on accuracy midstream.

Another example of this would be where are the 338 Federal guns? I don't see a recommended load for that caliber.... therefore how realistic is the recommended loads in the manual ....

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Originally Posted By: Pig_Popper
I'm suprised by the ammo recommendation for 6.5 Creedmoor

I'm thinking your going to see 1.5" at 100 for the Federal Fusion load as that is what I've gotten from it from 3 different Creedmoors .

I believe it's listed because the target market is hunters for that MsR therefore they chose a good hunting load (fusion bullet)...

Hopefully I'm wrong

P.S. - the 308 recommended load is not a Hunter optimal bullet which would seem to contradict my opinion however I'd say these manuals are cobbled together at various stages in development and perhaps they changed some goals internally on accuracy midstream.

Another example of this would be where are the 338 Federal guns? I don't see a recommended load for that caliber.... therefore how realistic is the recommended loads in the manual ....


1. All ammo suggestions are Federal. Hmmm. So no Hornady, Remington, or other major mfg was tested? Smells.
2. Old book, .338 is a new offering so not included.




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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Originally Posted By: Pig_Popper
I'm suprised by the ammo recommendation for 6.5 Creedmoor

I'm thinking your going to see 1.5" at 100 for the Federal Fusion load as that is what I've gotten from it from 3 different Creedmoors .

I believe it's listed because the target market is hunters for that MsR therefore they chose a good hunting load (fusion bullet)...

Hopefully I'm wrong

P.S. - the 308 recommended load is not a Hunter optimal bullet which would seem to contradict my opinion however I'd say these manuals are cobbled together at various stages in development and perhaps they changed some goals internally on accuracy midstream.

Another example of this would be where are the 338 Federal guns? I don't see a recommended load for that caliber.... therefore how realistic is the recommended loads in the manual ....


1. All ammo suggestions are Federal. Hmmm. So no Hornady, Remington, or other major mfg was tested? Smells.
2. Old book, .338 is a new offering so not included.


1. Good point - I agree it smells

2. The Savage AR10 is new all together, first year for that weapon in Savage's lineup regardless of caliber. EDIT: I assumed the posted photo I'd recommend loads is from a MSR Hunter manual not an older manual "book"...

IF they ever produce a 338 Fed you'll probably see a very small quantity much like DPMS LR-338

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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
With a 1:10 5R barrel I would have expected a little better. I wonder if it will shoot better once you've got some more rounds through it.
that's what I was thinking, but I never just tried two loads.


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The manual for my model 12 included hornady ammo so I didn't give it a second thought. But on closer inspection its probably not a coincidence about the ammo, or that it has mostly Blackhawk accessories, the mothership wants to drive sales.
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Edit: The photo of recommended loads is from the manual I received with the rifle a couple months ago.

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Originally Posted By: Pig_Popper
Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
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I'm suprised by the ammo recommendation for 6.5 Creedmoor

I'm thinking your going to see 1.5" at 100 for the Federal Fusion load as that is what I've gotten from it from 3 different Creedmoors .

I believe it's listed because the target market is hunters for that MsR therefore they chose a good hunting load (fusion bullet)...

Hopefully I'm wrong

P.S. - the 308 recommended load is not a Hunter optimal bullet which would seem to contradict my opinion however I'd say these manuals are cobbled together at various stages in development and perhaps they changed some goals internally on accuracy midstream.

Another example of this would be where are the 338 Federal guns? I don't see a recommended load for that caliber.... therefore how realistic is the recommended loads in the manual ....


1. All ammo suggestions are Federal. Hmmm. So no Hornady, Remington, or other major mfg was tested? Smells.
2. Old book, .338 is a new offering so not included.


1. Good point - I agree it smells

2. The Savage AR10 is new all together, first year for that weapon in Savage's lineup regardless of caliber. EDIT: I assumed the posted photo I'd recommend loads is from a MSR Hunter manual not an older manual "book"...

IF they ever produce a 338 Fed you'll probably see a very small quantity much like DPMS LR-338


PP, I didn't even know they were going to offer .338 and hadn't heard until you posted it. A quick search of their site reveals the model numbers for .308 and 6.5 are 22902 and 22903, 1 number apart. The .338 is 22919, suggesting it came along a bit later (hence my idea that the book might be too old to include the .338 ammo).

.338 should be a killer!




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This guy is getting 1 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards in 6.5 Creedmoor with American Eagle and 3" groups with Federal Gold Medal Match (Berger bullet) - that's not ordinary...

He is hoping the barrel magically tightens at 90 + rounds...

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The guy straight up said that the bullet stabilizes past 100 yards and you can get tighter groups at longer ranges than at 100 yards. First I've heard of such an idea, if it's even true. He said even though he's getting 1"-1.25" groups at 100 yards, he may very well get 2" groups at 400.

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Jeez - it's not looking good through extrapolation of videos

1.5 MOA on a good day with ammo it likes otherwise he shot up to 6 MOA !


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Good grief...those guys sure do like to hear themselves talk!


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I hope this review has not been as annoying as that last video, it was a little hard to watch... Regarding the first video, i don't have enough experience with muzzle breaks to say what is effective vs. very effective, etc. but it does seem to improve control somewhat. if "Extremely loud" = "Extremely effective" then maybe it is? it is quite loud.

Went out again with some new ammo. First up was the one recommended in the manual. Federal Gold Medal 168gr BTHP (Sierra match king)


Next up was the Federal Gold Medal 175gr BTHP (SMK)


Finally, Hornady black 155gr A-Max



The SMK's have a tangent ogive, and the A-Max and ELD-M both have a secant ogive. Would it be fair to conclude that this rifle prefers tangent ogive bullets? or are there just way to many variables at play here?

Each group was fired individually (not round robin), with about 2 minutes between shots. I believe the change in average POI can be blamed on some issues i was having with the scope.

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Originally Posted By: Sigmund
The SMK's have a tangent ogive, and the A-Max and ELD-M both have a secant ogive. Would it be fair to conclude that this rifle prefers tangent ogive bullets? or are there just way to many variables at play here?


Yes, way too many variables. You have to eliminate your rifle and scope issues first before you can truly test the ammo. Plus, you are shooting a gas gun. Shooting groups in a gas gun can be very challenging. And even then, you are stuck with the factory offering of what you are shooting. In a 308, I can make just about any bullet shoot good or bad by the load that it shoots. It's not the bullet that the rifle likes or dislikes. It's the load (i.e. powder and powder charge) used with that bullet that the rifle likes or dislikes. I've proven this many times over.

When group shooting in a gas gun, you have to know your rifle well enough to know if you have a first round POI shift and/or a last round POI shift. When you manually chamber the round (locked bolt, mag in, and release the bolt to chamber the round) vs. the rifle chambering the round during firing, you need to know if there is a POI shift from this. And on the last round, when the bolt locks to the rear, it changes up the recoil impulse and can easily cause a POI shift. If you are shooting 3 round groups, I would load 4 rounds in the mag so after the 3rd shot, the last round still chambers and does not cause a POI shift from a locked open bolt. And if you are letting a round "cook" in the chamber after firing, then you are heating up the round and raising the pressures of the round, which will easily change up the velocity, pressures, and cause a POI shift.

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Sigmund,
This is some awesome accuracy. You're getting 0.66 moa with the 168gr (with even a sub 1/2moa group) and 0.77 moa with 175gr on the average. This is with factory ammo. I would be very happy with this kind of accuracy. This is in the Larue Tactical accuracy territory.

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Chad,
Thank you for your advise. I knew there are many differences between the ammo, I guess I was grasping at straws hoping to find something in common to guide future ammo purchases in the right direction. At >$20 a box, I was hoping to take out some of the guesswork...

When I was shooting, it was an empty magazine with round fed one at a time through the ejection port moments before being fired. I was trying to come up with a method that would be consistent with respect to action cycling, “cooking” the rounds, etc. I still have the remainder of this ammunition. I may try this again loading the remaining 11 rounds in the magazine and firing 3, 3 shot groups. That may represent a more typical use case for a gas gun. My goal here was to see what it could do under more ideal conditions.

I think the problem I was having with the scope was more likely related to my prescription glasses. The scope is a little far forward for the LOP I would like, so I was struggling to balance the two. I wrote a little about the issue here: http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth...ati#Post6933918

Kevin,
Thank you. When I ordered this rifle, I was really hoping it would do better than 1.25MOA @ 100Y. When I started shooting the hornady ammo I was pretty disappointed. I’m feeling a bit better that it at least can shoot well, but I wish it were a little less picky about the ammo... I would like to find some hunting ammo that shoots about as well as the SMK’s.

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