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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program [Re: txbobcat] #6837668 07/29/17 12:30 PM
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I have hunted mld twice. The state gives him tags for each one of his 5 sections of his ranch. One that is 650 acres, has about 30 buck and 20 doe tags. He always thinks tpwd tells him to take too many. I don't think he has ever used all the tags.


Take too many for what?


Too many deer.

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You shouldn't be looking into MLD you don't need it. Sounds like you already shoot more than is sustainable for 40 acres. MLD is for folks that can't get enough deer shot.
Exactly...40 acres in east Tx, I'd only shoot one a year, UNLESS you're in an ultra-high density area. You really need to sit back a while and study what the neighbors are doing, deer dynamics, etc. before comitting to do any type of managed land program.

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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program [Re: Flynt] #6837813 07/29/17 03:50 PM
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You're better off sticking with conventional regs rather than go MLD.


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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program [Re: Rickybobby8] #6838192 07/29/17 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rickybobby8
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I have hunted mld twice. The state gives him tags for each one of his 5 sections of his ranch. One that is 650 acres, has about 30 buck and 20 doe tags. He always thinks tpwd tells him to take too many. I don't think he has ever used all the tags.


Take too many for what?


Too many deer.


Too many deer based on what is what is what I was asking. The owner has a number in mind based on surveys? Gut feeling? Number of hunters? Etc

Re: Managed Lands Deer Program [Re: txbobcat] #6838281 07/30/17 01:05 AM
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I hunt on a MLD property and honestly it's not that great of a deal. The landowner wants Mature bucks shot, the wildlife biologist says we need to shoot culls, however, he only issues enough tags for each lease holder to get 1 buck tag. They base the numbers on night surveys conducted in August from ranch roads. They don't look at any feeders or in any food plots. It's kind of stupid. They'll see 10 deer on our 1000 ac during a survey while I can see 30 in the field I hunt on every night. About the only think the MLD is good for is that it allows us to rifle hunt from opening day of bow season to February 28th. I know of places that get a ton of tags, but it has never worked out that way for us.

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How many buck tags are you getting on 1000 acres?


Usually 5 - 1 per lease spot. It is an antler restriction county so the MLD removes the antler restriction which allows us to shoot culls if we want.

Re: Managed Lands Deer Program [Re: Flynt] #6838338 07/30/17 01:41 AM
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We had our place under the program and we never agreed to what they wanted us to shoot........No one believed we had the umber of deer they wanted us to shoot including me. If we would have killed the amount of deer prescribed I don't think we would seen a comeback for at least 10 years. I don't see how basically shooting out a place will increase the quality of deer without bringing in genetics, they have abundant browse and protein / minerals / corn are out year round. 15 tons of protein a year (lyssey&Eckel 20%) 20 acres of soybeans when its not a drought, wheat, triticale, winter peas in the fall/winter.

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We had our place under the program and we never agreed to what they wanted us to shoot........No one believed we had the umber of deer they wanted us to shoot including me. If we would have killed the amount of deer prescribed I don't think we would seen a comeback for at least 10 years. I don't see how basically shooting out a place will increase the quality of deer without bringing in genetics, they have abundant browse and protein / minerals / corn are out year round. 15 tons of protein a year (lyssey&Eckel 20%) 20 acres of soybeans when its not a drought, wheat, triticale, winter peas in the fall/winter.


Feed shouldn't really factor into carrying capacity.

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I hear you bobcat, but its only to supplement. They have plenty browse with the numbers we have now.

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We had our place under the program and we never agreed to what they wanted us to shoot........No one believed we had the umber of deer they wanted us to shoot including me. If we would have killed the amount of deer prescribed I don't think we would seen a comeback for at least 10 years. I don't see how basically shooting out a place will increase the quality of deer without bringing in genetics, they have abundant browse and protein / minerals / corn are out year round. 15 tons of protein a year (lyssey&Eckel 20%) 20 acres of soybeans when its not a drought, wheat, triticale, winter peas in the fall/winter.
Agreed. Our biologist claims we need to shoot doe, many doe. When you have a low density, and see 3-4 bucks per doe, why would we do that? He's not on the property like we are. A young personable fellow, but not accurate on his deer count estimates. We have approximately 1 deer per 30-40 acres. Awesome habitat, just low numbers of deer.

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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program [Re: Flynt] #6838560 07/30/17 05:17 AM
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The problem with the young folk is they never think into the future (what if). It was a young smarty pants that came up with the numbers on our place too. Where we hunt if we shoot half the herd and a drought hit us it wont be good. We see about 10 deer per hunt on average sometimes more, I would say 1.5 does to 1 buck. Lots of cactus and mesquite with some oak near the atacosa river.

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The problem with the young folk is they never think into the future (what if). It was a young smarty pants that came up with the numbers on our place too. Where we hunt if we shoot half the herd and a drought hit us it wont be good. We see about 10 deer per hunt on average sometimes more, I would say 1.5 does to 1 buck. Lots of cactus and mesquite with some oak near the atacosa river.


So you think more deer is better during a drought??? hammer

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Alright, TXbobcat, look man I'm not trying to be Dr Deer but if you cant imply simple math into survival rates I'm sorry. Yes I want more deer in a drought. I never heard of a protocol for decreasing numbers because its to dry. hammer wife

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Alright, TXbobcat, look man I'm not trying to be Dr Deer but if you cant imply simple math into survival rates I'm sorry. Yes I want more deer in a drought. I never heard of a protocol for decreasing numbers because its to dry. hammer wife


That's the typical deer hunter response of more deer should be better.

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Just thinking simplicity. I believe if you have 100 deer and anything besides disease or sickness happens to the herd like a drought and 50% die your left with 50. If you have 200 head and 50% die your left with 100..... I know I may be wrong and there are millions of factors to take in consideration. Not everything works like it does on the outdoor channel, I've learned from experience when we hunted in the hill country, shot a bunch of deer like the biologist suggested to the exact number and 7 years later we were back to square one, never did it improve the quality of the deer, the only thing it helped was our feed cost and we had to stop shooting bucks for 3 years. I would call that unsuccessful, just my opinion. I think the common deer hunter agrees to the MLDP just to get some trigger time.

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I think the common deer hunter agrees to the MLDP just to get some trigger time.


That's the understatement of the year. They need to kick those off that truly don't need the program.

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So what u deer Nazi your the problem not peta!!!

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It's a renewable resource deer Nazi

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Agree ^ Luckily we only have 4 members on our place and we all have the same ethics and opinion.

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So what if I want tigger time u deer Nazi it's my blood sweat and money go [censored] with peta. Your a dumbass

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A bunch of narrowminded deer Nazis on this form

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Call me Hitler then

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Not u man

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I'm confused, which isn't uncommon. One thing we need to realise is deer management is like religion everyone has their opinion.

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I'm with u it's some of the other guys

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So what u deer Nazi your the problem not peta!!!


Dang! lol

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