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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/29/17 12:30 PM
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I have hunted mld twice. The state gives him tags for each one of his 5 sections of his ranch. One that is 650 acres, has about 30 buck and 20 doe tags. He always thinks tpwd tells him to take too many. I don't think he has ever used all the tags. Take too many for what? Too many deer.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/29/17 03:43 PM
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You shouldn't be looking into MLD you don't need it. Sounds like you already shoot more than is sustainable for 40 acres. MLD is for folks that can't get enough deer shot. Exactly...40 acres in east Tx, I'd only shoot one a year, UNLESS you're in an ultra-high density area. You really need to sit back a while and study what the neighbors are doing, deer dynamics, etc. before comitting to do any type of managed land program.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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You're better off sticking with conventional regs rather than go MLD.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/29/17 11:55 PM
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I have hunted mld twice. The state gives him tags for each one of his 5 sections of his ranch. One that is 650 acres, has about 30 buck and 20 doe tags. He always thinks tpwd tells him to take too many. I don't think he has ever used all the tags. Take too many for what? Too many deer. Too many deer based on what is what is what I was asking. The owner has a number in mind based on surveys? Gut feeling? Number of hunters? Etc
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/30/17 01:05 AM
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I hunt on a MLD property and honestly it's not that great of a deal. The landowner wants Mature bucks shot, the wildlife biologist says we need to shoot culls, however, he only issues enough tags for each lease holder to get 1 buck tag. They base the numbers on night surveys conducted in August from ranch roads. They don't look at any feeders or in any food plots. It's kind of stupid. They'll see 10 deer on our 1000 ac during a survey while I can see 30 in the field I hunt on every night. About the only think the MLD is good for is that it allows us to rifle hunt from opening day of bow season to February 28th. I know of places that get a ton of tags, but it has never worked out that way for us.
Keith How many buck tags are you getting on 1000 acres? Usually 5 - 1 per lease spot. It is an antler restriction county so the MLD removes the antler restriction which allows us to shoot culls if we want.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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We had our place under the program and we never agreed to what they wanted us to shoot........No one believed we had the umber of deer they wanted us to shoot including me. If we would have killed the amount of deer prescribed I don't think we would seen a comeback for at least 10 years. I don't see how basically shooting out a place will increase the quality of deer without bringing in genetics, they have abundant browse and protein / minerals / corn are out year round. 15 tons of protein a year (lyssey&Eckel 20%) 20 acres of soybeans when its not a drought, wheat, triticale, winter peas in the fall/winter.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/30/17 02:02 AM
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We had our place under the program and we never agreed to what they wanted us to shoot........No one believed we had the umber of deer they wanted us to shoot including me. If we would have killed the amount of deer prescribed I don't think we would seen a comeback for at least 10 years. I don't see how basically shooting out a place will increase the quality of deer without bringing in genetics, they have abundant browse and protein / minerals / corn are out year round. 15 tons of protein a year (lyssey&Eckel 20%) 20 acres of soybeans when its not a drought, wheat, triticale, winter peas in the fall/winter. Feed shouldn't really factor into carrying capacity.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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I hear you bobcat, but its only to supplement. They have plenty browse with the numbers we have now.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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We had our place under the program and we never agreed to what they wanted us to shoot........No one believed we had the umber of deer they wanted us to shoot including me. If we would have killed the amount of deer prescribed I don't think we would seen a comeback for at least 10 years. I don't see how basically shooting out a place will increase the quality of deer without bringing in genetics, they have abundant browse and protein / minerals / corn are out year round. 15 tons of protein a year (lyssey&Eckel 20%) 20 acres of soybeans when its not a drought, wheat, triticale, winter peas in the fall/winter. Agreed. Our biologist claims we need to shoot doe, many doe. When you have a low density, and see 3-4 bucks per doe, why would we do that? He's not on the property like we are. A young personable fellow, but not accurate on his deer count estimates. We have approximately 1 deer per 30-40 acres. Awesome habitat, just low numbers of deer.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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The problem with the young folk is they never think into the future (what if). It was a young smarty pants that came up with the numbers on our place too. Where we hunt if we shoot half the herd and a drought hit us it wont be good. We see about 10 deer per hunt on average sometimes more, I would say 1.5 does to 1 buck. Lots of cactus and mesquite with some oak near the atacosa river.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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The problem with the young folk is they never think into the future (what if). It was a young smarty pants that came up with the numbers on our place too. Where we hunt if we shoot half the herd and a drought hit us it wont be good. We see about 10 deer per hunt on average sometimes more, I would say 1.5 does to 1 buck. Lots of cactus and mesquite with some oak near the atacosa river. So you think more deer is better during a drought???
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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Alright, TXbobcat, look man I'm not trying to be Dr Deer but if you cant imply simple math into survival rates I'm sorry. Yes I want more deer in a drought. I never heard of a protocol for decreasing numbers because its to dry.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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Alright, TXbobcat, look man I'm not trying to be Dr Deer but if you cant imply simple math into survival rates I'm sorry. Yes I want more deer in a drought. I never heard of a protocol for decreasing numbers because its to dry. That's the typical deer hunter response of more deer should be better.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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Just thinking simplicity. I believe if you have 100 deer and anything besides disease or sickness happens to the herd like a drought and 50% die your left with 50. If you have 200 head and 50% die your left with 100..... I know I may be wrong and there are millions of factors to take in consideration. Not everything works like it does on the outdoor channel, I've learned from experience when we hunted in the hill country, shot a bunch of deer like the biologist suggested to the exact number and 7 years later we were back to square one, never did it improve the quality of the deer, the only thing it helped was our feed cost and we had to stop shooting bucks for 3 years. I would call that unsuccessful, just my opinion. I think the common deer hunter agrees to the MLDP just to get some trigger time.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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I think the common deer hunter agrees to the MLDP just to get some trigger time. That's the understatement of the year. They need to kick those off that truly don't need the program.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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So what u deer Nazi your the problem not peta!!!
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/31/17 12:01 AM
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It's a renewable resource deer Nazi
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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Agree ^ Luckily we only have 4 members on our place and we all have the same ethics and opinion.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/31/17 12:08 AM
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So what if I want tigger time u deer Nazi it's my blood sweat and money go [censored] with peta. Your a dumbass
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/31/17 12:14 AM
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A bunch of narrowminded deer Nazis on this form
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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I'm confused, which isn't uncommon. One thing we need to realise is deer management is like religion everyone has their opinion.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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I'm with u it's some of the other guys
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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So what u deer Nazi your the problem not peta!!! Dang! lol You know they do have programs to help with the drinking problem!
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