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Cyanide trap kills dog and gets in kids eyes. #6711927 03/22/17 03:44 PM
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http://www.fieldandstream.com/usda-cyani...=SOC&dom=fb


What do y'all think of this? To me it's a shame it happened but to have happened I'm pretty sure he would to have been trespassing.

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The Feds should have educated those in the area of the dangers associated with the traps.

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I agree. I didn't think it was legal to put them out on public property though.


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Sad deal on losing the dog, glad the child was not more severely injured.

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Sad deal, sorry for the kid and loss of their pet. I'm sure it was a harmless walk with the pup but he was probably somewhere he shouldn't have been. If a small warning sign wouldn't hamper the traps effectiveness it would have probably prevented this but again he was probably somewhere he shouldn't have been.

Unseen consequences, same reason I'm not in favor of poisoning hogs. A govt. trapper tried to put some of these out on our old deer lease, I was glad the property owner said no.


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as far as i'm aware from reading different stories of this,
extensive signage was posted around the device and in the
area. i do know it's the law and it's very specific.

if someone can't read signs or obey them it's their bad luck.
what if it had been powerful explosives or or a chemically
contaminated or radioactive area ?

i know of several who can't/won't acknowledge "NO TRESPASSING"
signs. if something tragic befalls them it's all on them and
no other persons should be held accountable. folks in the 21st
century should relearn how to use their eyes and brains to
avoid danger to themselves instead of depending on electronic
crap and the good graces of the gummint.

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To close to residences. No common sense used by the BLM, sign or no signs. If I was the parent, I'd be a ticked off parent. Lucky it was 'just' the dog that died.

He said the device was on top of a ridge about 500 yards from the boy's home, which is in a foothills area with other homes outside Pocatello.

Argyle said the device was in a patchwork area of private and public land and is believed to have been placed on U.S. Bureau of Land Management land. Argyle said the area is frequented by hikers, bikers and ATV riders. He said the area also has some sheep grazing.

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Originally Posted By: talkturkey
To close to residences. No common sense used by the BLM, sign or no signs. If I was the parent, I'd be a ticked off parent. Lucky it was 'just' the dog that died.

He said the device was on top of a ridge about 500 yards from the boy's home, which is in a foothills area with other homes outside Pocatello.

Argyle said the device was in a patchwork area of private and public land and is believed to have been placed on U.S. Bureau of Land Management land. Argyle said the area is frequented by hikers, bikers and ATV riders. He said the area also has some sheep grazing.

The only thing the parents have to be mad at is the kid. If like someone else stated the trap was well marked and they were somewhere they weren't supposed to be. There are tons of things less than 500 yards from homes that can kill pets and children every day.
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To close to residences. No common sense used by the BLM, sign or no signs. If I was the parent, I'd be a ticked off parent. Lucky it was 'just' the dog that died.

He said the device was on top of a ridge about 500 yards from the boy's home, which is in a foothills area with other homes outside Pocatello.

Argyle said the device was in a patchwork area of private and public land and is believed to have been placed on U.S. Bureau of Land Management land. Argyle said the area is frequented by hikers, bikers and ATV riders. He said the area also has some sheep grazing.


The only thing the parents have to be mad at is the kid. If like someone else stated the trap was well marked and they were somewhere they weren't supposed to be. There are tons of things less than 500 yards from homes that can kill pets and children every day.
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Yep, the 14 year old, and the dog for that matter, should have been mature enough to read and heed the alleged posted warning signs. I'm all for obeying the law, not trespassing, and doing what is 'right'. However, at 14 it's mostly about getting out and exploring, and well, guess the dog can't read. Again, too close to residences to be placing cyanide cylinders.

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Years ago when I was a kid and had a brother, we were hunting on my grandparents place and came up on what looked like a piece of pipe in the ground. My brother was messing with it and I figured out what it was and pushed him away. About that time it went off. We were lucky we were downwind of the apparatus. I would think that the gov't trapper or whoever had put it out would have been required to take it up, but I guess he forgot, or could not find it. We survived with no problems, but it could have turned out oh so differently.


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Originally Posted By: maximum
as far as i'm aware from reading different stories of this,
extensive signage was posted around the device and in the
area. i do know it's the law and it's very specific.

if someone can't read signs or obey them it's their bad luck.
what if it had been powerful explosives or or a chemically
contaminated or radioactive area ?

i know of several who can't/won't acknowledge "NO TRESPASSING"
signs. if something tragic befalls them it's all on them and
no other persons should be held accountable. folks in the 21st
century should relearn how to use their eyes and brains to
avoid danger to themselves instead of depending on electronic
crap and the good graces of the gummint.


Could you please post a link to where you read about the "extensive signage posted around the device"?
I'm not doubting you read that but I cant seem to find it in any of my searching.

I did find this... "He's very lucky to be alive," Capt. Dan Argyle of the Bannock County Sheriff's Office said of Canyon, whose blood is still being checked for levels of cyanide.

"We're still trying to figure out how he wasn't affected," Argyle told Fox News. "We think a strong wind blew it [the cyanide] downhill when the device went off -- right in the dog's direction."

Argyle said Wildlife Services is required by law to post warning signs around the devices but said, "We did not observe any signs at the location." Upon further inspection, authorities found a second device within yards of the Mansfield home. Both devices were planted in the ground on Feb. 25 without the family's knowledge or consent.
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Years ago we hunted a place where the cyanide was put out for coyotes. There was one sign on the entry gate post telling of the poison. That sign was not very big as I remember.

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The question is how far was it. I have read 3 different articles now saying 350 yards, 500 yards, and 10 minutes. You can cover a lot of ground in 10 minutes even at walking pace. In 10 minutes at an average walking speed you can cover just over half a mile. So that's still a decent way from the house.

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Excellent tool for coyote control.

Sounds like BLM personal were negligent selecting the location of this one.


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Is BLM property open to public access? Assuming this took place there.


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Just read a thing saying some BLM land is open to the public for recreation unless It's been officially closed because of fire or other emergency hazards. I would think this would fall into that category


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my old lease in Comfort has a Federal Trapper who plants these bombs in the ground, he hangs a 4'X5" tag in a branch close to them

I saw something sticking up from the ground, looked like a sprinkler head, I walked up and lightly kicked it, it didn't move, I bent over, realized what I was looking at and about pooped my pants.

close call


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my old lease in Comfort has a Federal Trapper who plants these bombs in the ground, he hangs a 4'X5" tag in a branch close to them

I saw something sticking up from the ground, looked like a sprinkler head, I walked up and lightly kicked it, it didn't move, I bent over, realized what I was looking at and about pooped my pants.

close call

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Quote:
R. Andre Bell, the spokesman for USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, said in a written statement on Friday that “the unintentional lethal take of a dog is a rare occurrence” and that the agency “posts signs and issues other warnings to alert pet owners when wildlife traps or other devices are being used in an area for wildlife damage management.”

However, the Mansfields said they were never notified by the USDA that a predator-control device was being planted near their home. Canyon also said he did not see any signage indicating that an M-44 was in the area.


The Sheriff's office captain who investigated the scene said he did not see any signs either. That's in the other link I posted earlier. There were two traps - one that killed the dog and another one supposedly found 50 yds away. If there were signs posted it sure seems like they would have been seen by someone who was investigating this deal. The boy's parents are adamant that they never received any notifications or warnings. I think the kid is lucky to still be alive - probably a God thing with that.

Of course it's the USDA's policy to post these signs but I'm wondering if maybe in this case those procedure might not have been followed?

http://idahostatejournal.com/outdoors/xt...1dd55d0923.html

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From everything I've read - the BLM claims there was signs..the local family and local LEOs claim there were no signs. Think I'd trust local LEOs an infinite amount more than the federal government.

If this were my dog and my kid and NO signs were posted on public BLM property......

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