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 Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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Have you ever noticed a response from an animal, wild, domesticated, or farm, signifying some kind of fear or acknowledgment of the death of another animal? Example--I have 3 donkeys that guard my goats. I had a goat kid a few days ago and one of the babies died. I carried it out of the pen to my truck where the donkeys were standing. They started backtracking and were on high alert. I have noticed this behavior from them anytime there is a death. Interested in wild animal's response to another dead animal that has been shot or caught in the fence, etc. WIld animals seem to have much less response to a death compared to domesticated animals. Wonder why?
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03/03/17 02:59 PM
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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Read that, but couldn't get video to open. That article is what made me inquire about the death response. It sort of makes you wonder. Thanks for posting that.
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03/03/17 03:09 PM
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I saw this yesterday and thought the circling was odd, but turkeys are strange animals anyway. I'm probably not the only one who has stuck an arrow through a turkey, and then have other birds from the flock come and start attacking the dead bird. I've had that happen many times over the years.
In the case of the video, I think these are Wiccan Turkeys, a rare breed which originated in Salem, MA.
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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Gotta think it is situational. You can barely see it but there is a doe next to that feeder. 10 mins after I shot her this gang of 100+ turkeys came through vacuuming up the corn and didn't mind her at all. Same with deer, I've shot plenty of deer only to have the rest that were there hang around or even jump back in the feeder pen to start eating again. 
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I've shot does and had other does stepping over her dead body to eat the corn around her.
The only thing I'd say animals really "notice" is when you shoot one and it lets out some terrible death scream. They can sort of put 2 and 2 together on that, but again, I broke a cull buck's back once and he was on the ground shrieking, and another buck charged him.
They do:
Eat
Drink
Reproduce
Run from predators
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I've seen turkeys ignore dead turkeys, dead deer.
That video response may have something to do with the fact that the cat was a predator. They're curious but not getting too close.
Turkeys are also really weird and stupid. Could easily have just gotten into a pattern of following each other for a short period. Curious about the cat but don't want to get too close b/c of the predator scent.
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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We shot a doe this last season and she dropped just beyond the feeder. One of the spikes hung around, and went over and kept poking her with his nose. We watched, and after about 10 minutes, he got in behind her and was about to mount her (multiple times). He straddled her and dropped his rear end down, and was about to get busy. We started yelling and he stopped, but he didn't run off. We got down, and he stayed about 50 yards away from us and wouldn't leave, even when we were loading her up. I've never seen that.
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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The only time I've really seen a wild animal have a reaction to the death of another was after shooting a doe with a fawn. Made the mistake of doing that as a young hunter. The fawn stood by her body all the way to the point when I put her in the truckbed.
The idea of wildness needs no defense, it only needs more defenders.
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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Shot a javalina and the other two males with it started attacking it. Had turkeys do the same thing.
This past season shot a mule deer buck that was with 6 or 8 does and they would not get more than 40 yards away from him after he was down.
Even after I walked up to him they still stayed real close until the Polaris came to get me about 30 min later
I don't think they were mourning him I just think they are dumb
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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I believe attributing human-like emotions and behavior to animals is a mistake.
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I believe attributing human-like emotions and behavior to animals is a mistake. Yup....can't stand to watch National Geographic for that very reason.....
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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The only time I've really seen a wild animal have a reaction to the death of another was after shooting a doe with a fawn. Made the mistake of doing that as a young hunter. The fawn stood by her body all the way to the point when I put her in the truckbed. Are you telling us you had a "learning experience"? 
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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I believe attributing human-like emotions and behavior to animals is a mistake. Yup....can't stand to watch National Geographic for that very reason..... Or Disney. lol
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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We shot a doe this last season and she dropped just beyond the feeder. One of the spikes hung around, and went over and kept poking her with his nose. We watched, and after about 10 minutes, he got in behind her and was about to mount her (multiple times). He straddled her and dropped his rear end down, and was about to get busy. We started yelling and he stopped, but he didn't run off. We got down, and he stayed about 50 yards away from us and wouldn't leave, even when we were loading her up. I've never seen that. I shot a hot doe at daylight one morning, and in the next 90 minutes had 6 different bucks come check her. None tried to mount her, though!
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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Bison are highly social and gather around wounded or dead ones. They try to get a fallen herd mate up by hooking them.
It's not "human like" behavior. It's herd behavior. Bison were nearly exterminated due to this tendency and the fact that they aren't afraid of any animal. They will stand there for hours if allowed.
When you shoot a bull the other bulls will start fighting (IMO to re-establish where they are in the pecking order after one is removed). The first time we shot a bull many years ago the remaining two bulls would fight anytime they got near the piece of plywood that had the blood of the dead bull on it. For over six months they'd do that. Finally burned the plywood.
They are very interesting animals to watch their social behavior.
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Here is an aoudad i killed and drug out of the feeder area. Live aoudad didn't know what to think.
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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Bison are highly social and gather around wounded or dead ones. They try to get a fallen herd mate up by hooking them.
It's not "human like" behavior. It's herd behavior. Bison were nearly exterminated due to this tendency and the fact that they aren't afraid of any animal. They will stand there for hours if allowed.
When you shoot a bull the other bulls will start fighting (IMO to re-establish where they are in the pecking order after one is removed). The first time we shot a bull many years ago the remaining two bulls would fight anytime they got near the piece of plywood that had the blood of the dead bull on it. For over six months they'd do that. Finally burned the plywood.
They are very interesting animals to watch their social behavior.
These 2 bison wouldn't let me get near this pig I shot for about 30 minutes. I guess they saw him as a comrade in arms so to speak. 
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Re: Animals (Wild or Domesticated), Their Response to Another Animal's Death
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Shot a cull buck one time that had a doe with him. I shot him in the head and dropped him. She jumped into the trees and came back out 5 min. later. She began eating next to him and stayed there until I got out of the stand about 20 min. later. She did not seem the least interested in his death.
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Too bad feral hogs do not act like Bison and hang around their dead ones after they been shot. 
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I think wild animals see way more death than domesticated animals and accept it as part of life.
I used to read books from Peter Hathaway Capstick, he claimed Disney had gotten more people hurt with the movies they make "the animals are your friends"
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Too bad feral hogs do not act like Bison and hang around their dead ones after they been shot. No kidding, they are a-holes and elbows to leave their fallen comrades. 
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Gotta think it is situational. You can barely see it but there is a doe next to that feeder. 10 mins after I shot her this gang of 100+ turkeys came through vacuuming up the corn and didn't mind her at all. Same with deer, I've shot plenty of deer only to have the rest that were there hang around or even jump back in the feeder pen to start eating again. to bad you have such a shortage of turkeys 
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Turkeys are also really weird and stupid.
I read somewhere (possibly here) that "if turkeys didnt have such good eyesight they would be extinct" I believe it
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Couple years ago opening morning I shot a buck, There was a dozen or more other deer within 10 yards of the buck. 90-100 yards shot with a 270 the deer I shot ran into the brush then back into the middle of the sendero the feeder was on and died only yards away from where he originally stood. The rest of the deer either stayed where they were or trotted a few feet and came right back. They paid him no mind and ate corn around his carcass till it was gone and left.
I have noticed that wild animal don't like to hang around injured or sick critters of their species. Have all the injured deer and hogs I have seen are almost always alone and if they are with others the group is very jumpy.
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