I just got this in my email from Change.org. To me it makes sense; I mean we have enough TTSX/GMX/Fusion guys on here anyway

Tempted to sign, but before I do I'd like y'all's opinion.

I like lead bullets

I'm not impressed with copper bullets on deer sized game

You'll have a hard time convincing me that lead ammo has any significant impact on the environment.

I wouldn't sign that in a million years. I like 22LR and cheap game load shotshells. Non lead rimfire ammo sucks, and I dont think we will see $40 case steel game loads. Trap and Skeet is the same issue, steel is too expensive and load is better in sporting loads.

Only part that I actually paid attention to was the lead dumping part. Everything else is "eh."

Steel shot only for migratory/waterfowl for a reason, other than that slugs, sabots, and bullets aren't so massive that they affect the environment after exiting (if that even happens) the animals that they are shot into/at.

I mean even the steel shot stuff is "eh." My uncles and cousins and their acquaintances shoot hundreds of thousands of shotshells over flooded crops during duck/geese season in Pakistan and have been doing so since the '50s and will continue to do so until they start getting steel shot over there. What little habitat the wildlife has has remained intact.

Then again, these guys all routinely have kept lead air rifle pellets in their mouths when hunting because tins make noise. And no, none of them has/has had lead poisoning or lead-related diseases.

The actual order for your reading pleasure.

https://www.fws.gov/policy/do219.html

I noticed one part I don't like that goes beyond use on federal lands.

e. The Assistant Director, Migratory Birds, in consultation with National Flyway Councils and individual states, will establish a process to phase in a requirement for the use of nontoxic ammunition for recreational hunting of mourning doves and other upland game birds.

Thank you very much for posting that!

Now, reading through that, I don't see too many issues with it. The way the Change.org email has worded it is very leading: nothing about lead dumping in the order!

In most hunting situations my experience has been an almost 100 percent mortality rate on wild life exposed to lead tipped ammunition.

I have an idea for you.
Do some homework and find all of the info you can on lead poisoning the water and then decide.
I'll give you a hint, it ain't happening and never has.
Lead shot from hunting is not a danger to our water or soil in any way.
There is no proven science that says it is.

Yep. That lie is as bad as man caused GW, and previously the ozone "hole" that was going to cause the extinction of all life on the planet.

We are in more danger from man caused hoax crises than we are any of the UN-scientific lies that are perpetuated in order to "protect" the environment.

Yup.....

I recommend sending all change.org emails to junk mail where they belong.

How old are you now?

100,000 Texas dove hunters, shooting 4 boxes of 12ga a year, will put 6,250 TONS of lead in the environment over a 20 year period. I wouldn't completely say that's not a problem.

9 I can hear someone saying "your must be a liberal" in response to this.

Only if I get hit, and then the person doing the shooting is going to have the problem.

So where exactly did this lead originate that was "put into the environment"??????????

BINGO!

I actually prefer steel shot for birds. It patterns better and there are more pellets per load, even when you go up a size. Birds aren't hard to kill, they are hard to hit. Better patterns and more pellets mean more hits.
I also like the fact I'm not injecting a bunch of lead pellets in my food.

Ban Lifted

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/6693747/

Kinda figured that wouldn't last but you aren't going to stop a liberal from trying if it makes them "feel good".

For your reading pleasure

Revocation of order 219 document
https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/order_no._3346.pdf

And signed same day

Conservation Stewardship and Conservation document
https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/order_no._3347.pdf

Thank you Mr. Zinke

It's not and proven.