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High Fenced Inbreeding #6588029 12/15/16 04:15 PM
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We're on about 500 acres high fenced. One of the other posts made me think about this. We've had the place for 20 years. We cull and manage the population and our bucks are still improving. Is there a point when inbreeding will hurt the antler growth/herd?

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Are you introducing any new genetics to the heard? Does, bucks etc?


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We spoke about it with a biologist in the scenario that our property became hi fenced. We are 320 acres. He thought it would take at least 30 years before we had any issues if we did.

Not sure what that is founded on just relaying what we were told.


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only in east texas


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If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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only in east texas, arkansas, and tennessee


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I can't see how you wouldn't at some point. It's only 500 acres. At some point every deer on the place is going to related to every other deer.


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Originally Posted By: LandPirate
I can't see how you wouldn't at some point. It's only 500 acres. At some point every deer on the place is going to related to every other deer.


Technically that is probably already the case.


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You heard any banjo coming from the brush


Re: High Fenced Inbreeding [Re: LandPirate] #6588257 12/15/16 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: LandPirate
I can't see how you wouldn't at some point. It's only 500 acres. At some point every deer on the place is going to related to every other deer.


Kind of like small towns in Arkansas.

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Originally Posted By: Choctaw
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I can't see how you wouldn't at some point. It's only 500 acres. At some point every deer on the place is going to related to every other deer.


Kind of like small towns in Arkansas East Texas.

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It can happen





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Meat tasting funny?

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A friend of mine that has been breeding deer since the late 1980's claims you can breed them to 31/32's. I dont know if thats right or wrong to do so, but he has produced some monsters that are very well known.

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Originally Posted By: jshouse
only in east texas

grin


If you want some friendly advice, get a haircut and take a bath. You wouldn't get hassled so much.


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You should have some mongaloid looking deer if they were

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I would imagine that over the life of the whole high fence operation where the goal is to breed quality deer the owners always want to introduce new genetics.







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roflmao

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I have no experience with deer, so take what i have to say with a grain of salt. I do have experience with performance dogs. Genetics are genetics and basically apply to all. With dogs you either breed best to best using outside "blood" or you utilize what you have and are satisfied with and begin line breeding (controlled inbreeding) with the occasional out cross.

None of that can happen in your situation. My guess is the dominant male (not necessarily the one with the biggest antlers) is doing most of the breeding for years on end. Creating an uncontrolled inbreeding situation. Then one of his sons takes over etc. This is why goat breeders (i have goats) trade out bucks on a regular basis. The continued improvement you are seeing at this point may be from improved diet, protein etc. and not just culling.

Same thing happens with closed bass ponds over the years. I would definitely look at bringing in new blood, but it needs to be good blood or things could get worse and take years of effort to correct.

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juggle I worry about it if the meat starts getting a bit chewier than normal. I would be worth buying some outside does or a couple of new buck to introduce to the pool. texas


I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
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I don't have to worry. Outside deer jump in and mine jump out. Some stay and some don't. I did not have any Axis for a while and then a Buck jumped in. Yesterday I saw an Axis Doe but have not seen the Buck anymore. I can;t keep up with the additions and with drawls.

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juggle I worry about it if the meat starts getting a bit chewier than normal. I would be worth buying some outside does or a couple of new buck to introduce to the pool. texas


I'm not real big on it don't know the details, but a friend HF'ed their place 2 years ago. They brought in some does for genetics and now they are required to test all deer shot for CWD. I never did plan on it, but from that I would definitely never plan on bringing in deer.


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Originally Posted By: don k
I don't have to worry. Outside deer jump in and mine jump out. Some stay and some don't. I did not have any Axis for a while and then a Buck jumped in. Yesterday I saw an Axis Doe but have not seen the Buck anymore. I can;t keep up with the additions and with drawls.


Yeah, sounds tough keeping tabs on two axis deer.....

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I don't have to worry. Outside deer jump in and mine jump out. Some stay and some don't. I did not have any Axis for a while and then a Buck jumped in. Yesterday I saw an Axis Doe but have not seen the Buck anymore. I can;t keep up with the additions and with drawls.


Yeah, sounds tough keeping tabs on two axis deer.....
You should try it sometime.

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I don't have to worry. Outside deer jump in and mine jump out. Some stay and some don't. I did not have any Axis for a while and then a Buck jumped in. Yesterday I saw an Axis Doe but have not seen the Buck anymore. I can;t keep up with the additions and with drawls.


Yeah, sounds tough keeping tabs on two axis deer.....
You should try it sometime.


Sorry, I know you like talking about that axis buck.....carry on.

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