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 Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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I just did a quick image search on Broad Banded water snake and I don't quite see the triangular head like the one in the pic I took. Not saying your are incorrect because I am far from an expert. Several species of snakes have the ability to shape shift to look more like a venomous species. Bull Snakes and Hog-nose are very good at it. While the Hog-nose is venomous it's not really a danger or threat.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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All that is true and spot on, and I just remembered another thing. As a kid in the swamps of Ga. I used to hunt them. If there was any question on identity I'd pin their heads and turn their tail over. IIRC the non-venemous mimics would have two rows of scales on the underside of their tail, the moccasin would only have one. Correct. The scales on the underside of the tail (beginning at the Anal Vent) are divided on harmless water snakes and are one single scale on the venomous Water Moccasin/Cottonmouth. Of course to determine that means being in close proximity to the snake or is an observation made posthumously.  Thank you. It is new to me - and I appreciate it. Marc
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Okay...the innanet is a wonderful thing! Its a Broad Banded water snake...not venomous, as I thought. Built to mimic moccasins....and it works!!!  Are you sure? Man, that triangular-looking head scares the @$#% out of me!  Yep. Im sure. But if I had encountered him before I searched the net, I wouldn't touch him!  I just did a quick image search on Broad Banded water snake and I don't quite see the triangular head like the one in the pic I took. Not saying your are incorrect because I am far from an expert. Where's SnakeWrangler when we need him? Working just east of Port Arthur.....  ........  Correct....it's a non-venomous water snake......it's been my "personal" experience that most cottonmouths are non-aggressive if not passive unless provoked while most water snakes that try to mimic cottonmouths are super aggressive and downright ill tempered....I guess making up for a lack of venom by putting on a big show.....while there are only a few snakes that you encounter can actually hurt you, most snakes can make you hurt yourself...... I'm sure it does happen, but I suspect that most people that think they have been chased by a cottonmouth actually encountered a water snake more often than not..... Nice pic.....thanks for posting.... 
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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All that is true and spot on, and I just remembered another thing. As a kid in the swamps of Ga. I used to hunt them. If there was any question on identity I'd pin their heads and turn their tail over. IIRC the non-venemous mimics would have two rows of scales on the underside of their tail, the moccasin would only have one. Correct. The scales on the underside of the tail (beginning at the Anal Vent) are divided on harmless water snakes and are one single scale on the venomous Water Moccasin/Cottonmouth. Of course to determine that means being in close proximity to the snake or is an observation made posthumously. Thank you. It is new to me - and I appreciate it. Marc The trick is trying to teach one to "roll over" so you can check..... 
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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The trick is trying to teach one to "roll over" so you can check..... Not so hard, you just rub its belly. Then a quick determination can be made one of two ways: 1. You will observe the scale type and know. 2. You will know from the bite you receive. Hint: (the venomous one really hurts). 
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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If it has slits for pupils. it's poisonous..... round pupils are OK......
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Why that theres a Swampbackcoppermossacin...
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. Truly educational
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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The trick is trying to teach one to "roll over" so you can check..... Not so hard, you just rub its belly. Then a quick determination can be made one of two ways: 1. You will observe the scale type and know. 2. You will know from the bite you receive. Hint: (the venomous one really hurts). non venomous can cause a lot of problems because of the bacteria in their mouth
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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I can see it now, "hang on there Mr. Snake, I need to check your anal plate".
Haven't had it in years but never spit any out. I am a sucker for happy endings and strapped cowboys.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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I can see it now, "hang on there Mr. Snake, I need to check your anal plate". Turn your head to the side and cough
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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If it has slits for pupils. it's poisonous..... round pupils are OK......
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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If it has slits for pupils. it's poisonous..... round pupils are OK...... True, but important to add this applies only to the INDIGENOUS pit vipers in the U.S.The coral snake has round pupils, but of course is not a pit viper and the distinct color pattern gives it away. I'm sure you were aware of that, but we don't want folks to think that "round pupils=OK" is universally true or that it applies to all snakes (everywhere). I know that sounds like nit-picking.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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My Snake guy says Broad Banded watersnake. Said he flatened his head as a trick. Also said, this was a beauty! Yep, gottem around here too. Mean suckers. 9 times out of 10 folks identify them as water moccasins.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Working just east of Port Arthur..... ........ Correct....it's a non-venomous water snake......it's been my "personal" experience that most cottonmouths are non-aggressive if not passive unless provoked while most water snakes that try to mimic cottonmouths are super aggressive and downright ill tempered....I guess making up for a lack of venom by putting on a big show.....while there are only a few snakes that you encounter can actually hurt you, most snakes can make you hurt yourself...... I'm sure it does happen, but I suspect that most people that think they have been chased by a cottonmouth actually encountered a water snake more often than not..... Nice pic.....thanks for posting.... [/quote] Beautiful snake and I am glad he is still around. The give away for me tha it wasn't a moccassin is the length of his tail. We have broadbands here but I have never seen one colored like that. I agree with snakewrangler that moccassins are typically very passive. As a snake lover, I don't like the term aggresive being used for snakes. My belief is that no snake is aggressive. The term I prefer is defensive. You have to put yourself in the snakes shoes to try to understand how they react and behave in situations. You don't sneak up on a snake. He knows your there and coming. It's how he perceives you as to how he may react, along with what kind of snake he is and the situation and environmental conditions.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Working just east of Port Arthur..... ........ Correct....it's a non-venomous water snake......it's been my "personal" experience that most cottonmouths are non-aggressive if not passive unless provoked while most water snakes that try to mimic cottonmouths are super aggressive and downright ill tempered....I guess making up for a lack of venom by putting on a big show.....while there are only a few snakes that you encounter can actually hurt you, most snakes can make you hurt yourself...... I'm sure it does happen, but I suspect that most people that think they have been chased by a cottonmouth actually encountered a water snake more often than not..... Nice pic.....thanks for posting.... Beautiful snake and I am glad he is still around. The give away for me tha it wasn't a moccassin is the length of his tail. We have broadbands here but I have never seen one colored like that. I agree with snakewrangler that moccassins are typically very passive. As a snake lover, I don't like the term aggresive being used for snakes. My belief is that no snake is aggressive. The term I prefer is defensive. You have to put yourself in the snakes shoes to try to understand how they react and behave in situations. You don't sneak up on a snake. He knows your there and coming. It's how he perceives you as to how he may react, along with what kind of snake he is and the situation and environmental conditions. [/quote] Diamondback Water Snakes around here are aggressive, no other way to put it. I'm a snake lover too.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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My Michelins would have made that head even flatter.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Defiatley a Brad Band Water Snake
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