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Deer Lease problem...thoughts? #6049144 11/25/15 02:22 PM
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Guys,

I got on a new lease this past August and on the whole the guys are pretty decent guys except...

The guy who heads things up and his brother likes to hunt everyone else's stands and they don't maintain their own stands and feeders. I don't like this. I worked hard to get my stand up and two feeders up. I cleared a couple of shooting lanes too. I keep my feeders full and feed a lot therefore although I haven't seen the/a Muy Grande at my stand I do see quite a bit of activity. I have never hunted my stand and not seen anything...I always see deer. So they always want to hunt my stand. I had a small lock on it as a deterrent but found out they were picking the lock. So I've since bought a new lock that they can't pick. On top of this they broke a couple of my steps on the ladder going up to my stand...didn't fix them nor did they say anything about it. They also like to "check out" everyone's stand during the season. Frankly this really angers me. There's too much traffic in the area already without them checking out my stand area.

Last night another guy texted me and told me that the brother had killed the biggest buck any of us had on camera last night at his stand. He told me that the brother didn't ask him about hunting his stand but the brother knew he would be out of town and so hunted the stand and shot the big buck. We've been sending text updates on a lot of our hunts but this guy didn't send any of us a text or pic of the buck that he killed...It probably will be between 150-160. Really nice hill country buck.

Rant over...

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049225 11/25/15 03:08 PM
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Do you guys have written rules regarding who can hunt stands? permission required to hunt others stands? If so, that is BS, especially from the guy that is supposed to be the head of/manager of the lease. Not knowing the dynamics of the group, it is hard to make any suggestions other than find another place if you can't live with it. I know I couldn't. If you have a majority in your group that feel the same way, you could possibly force a little democracy on the brothers. Again, hard to make suggestions without knowing what the rules are and what the dynamics of the group are.

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049231 11/25/15 03:10 PM
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Put a lock on your stands.

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Bittercreek] #6049253 11/25/15 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bittercreek
Put a lock on your stands.


Did you even read the OP?


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Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049264 11/25/15 03:21 PM
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I have never agreed with stand swapping unless I give my permission first. Too many hunters do not maintain their own areas as far as corn and up keep.


Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049287 11/25/15 03:29 PM
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Get you a pet rattlesnake and leave in your stand, problem solved. peep

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049288 11/25/15 03:29 PM
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That would piss me off as well.

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049290 11/25/15 03:30 PM
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We all own our stands collectively. Never have any problems. However we've all known each other 35 plus years. I like to hunt different areas. After all it's just a deer.

If you have a problem with other people hunting your stand just tell them not to. It seems pretty simple to me.

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049294 11/25/15 03:33 PM
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By far the biggest deer lease issue that comes up. It would tick me off too based on those facts.


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049295 11/25/15 03:34 PM
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Rule on our lease is that members have a #1 Stand which they must maintain. If they are @ lease that can be their 1st choice. If a member is not hunting out of their #1 then it is open for any other member to hunt.

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049299 11/25/15 03:36 PM
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have you even talked to the fella about this?

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049317 11/25/15 03:46 PM
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Hit them both right between the eyes and find you a new lease, that type of person is not changing. Your just being used to inhance there opportunities!



Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049321 11/25/15 03:48 PM
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On my lease you only hunt your own stand unless another hunter gives you permission to hunt their spot. The reason that it became a rule is some hunters don't put as much effort into filling feeders and upkeep of their area but expected to hunt others spots when they weren't successful.

Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049357 11/25/15 04:12 PM
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Yep, start looking for a new lease. Take your stuff off early, if you have time, before you tell them you're not coming back.

The head guy sounds like an "idea" guy that lets everyone else actually do everything. Am I right? I'm related to one.

We run a dozen feeders and blinds, everyone can hunt any one, and we all share in the work and cost. It ain't perfect, as I've stated in my own posts, but we do communicate with each other pretty well.


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Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049361 11/25/15 04:15 PM
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I don't think id be leavin a lease just so quick if you got a good spot and a 160 just killed off of it... maybe just take it up with the fella or fellas and have the other lease members do the same..

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IF the lease boss is doing this then in my experience it will not get better but will get worse. The guy in charge has to set the example and if he fudges on the rules it is a major problem. I have seen stands done two ways - each hunter has "their" stand and area and they maintain it and only they can hunt it. This approach can lead to issues like having to lock your stand, etc.

The other is community, first come. first serve. This is how we do it on our lease and it has worked well for many years. We have a big map at camp with each stand marked on it and each hunter has their own marker with their name on it. Any hunter may hunt any stand - once their marker is on a stand then they can leave it there till they move it or leave the lease. Also no hunter may hunt within 800 yards of another hunter. The only downside to this is the group has to work together to make sure feeders are working, etc. But it sure takes alot of the competition out of play.

End of the day if I were in your shoes I would be hesitant to remain on this lease if your leader is acting this way.


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We don't have "community stands" for the above reason. I don't care if it's the head lease guy. I would tell him to stuff it and not just on turkey day. That's BS imo


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Re: Deer Lease problem...thoughts? [Re: Deerhunter61] #6049514 11/25/15 05:28 PM
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My lease has only a few hunters, some that never seem to show at all. Stand areas are picked based on seniority at the lease. If you have an area one year, then you have first choice of that area the next year. Hunting at someone else's stand is strictly by permission and seems to be pretty well followed. So far, so good. If I were the OP, I'd discuss with the brothers, assuming the lease rules are for individual stands. The other question would be ownership... if the brother are (or are related to) the property owner then the OP may be out of luck.

I'm happy because the area I have has been the most productive of anywhere on the lease for the last three years. No one wanted it when I joined the lease because it "was too close to the road." I took it because I was on crutches at the time and I could walk about 50 yards to get to my stand and the areas I wanted to hunt were down two intersecting pipeline rights of way. Both could be accessed by 4x4 to place feeders & fill. Traffic back and forth down the county road by pipeline or timber workers is routine, so deer aren't startled by the sound of my truck or the smell of gas/diesel. A win-win for me!

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Don't like that situation. How many are on the lease? Besides the two brothers, are there other relatives involved? If the others see the situation and don't like it, then you need to discuss with the brothers. My guess would be they aren't going to change and since this is your first year, they may ask you to move on.
Keep the lock on your stand. Start checking around town and see if there is something else open close by.
I wouldn't want to hunt with folks you can't trust.

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Hunt their stand/setup. Keep your mouth shut about anything you see at YOUR stand. Don't share pics. Talk up about the huge buck you keep seeing in their area.

Or..... get off the lease.

It sounds like to me, these brothers are the primary lessors from the landowner. The other guys on the lease are just there to help them pay for it. Unless you can change that, then things aren't going to be much different.

If the deer are really, really good.... how is the relationship with the landowner. Are they friends of the brothers? Have you met him? I would get to be really, really good friends with the landowner. He's going to be the only person who is going to have any leverage on these two brothers.

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I would have a come to Jesus with the boys and tell them they are way off base.


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Originally Posted By: Navasot
I don't think id be leavin a lease just so quick if you got a good spot and a 160 just killed off of it... maybe just take it up with the fella or fellas and have the other lease members do the same..



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Originally Posted By: Navasot
I don't think id be leavin a lease just so quick if you got a good spot and a 160 just killed off of it... maybe just take it up with the fella or fellas and have the other lease members do the same..


To me, the deer don't really matter. It's the behavior of the other members. It's not gonna get better. I would rather start over somewhere else where this wouldn't happen, than put up with this [censored] every year.

Unless a community stand arrangement is made where all stands are nearly equal, this is the usual outcome. Some guys don't wanna put in the work to clear brush, maintain feeders, keep feeding, manage deer properly, & have a nice stand. So the guys that do the work, get screwed. It's human nature, when dealing with arseholes.

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They have country clubs that would fit nice if you just like watching deer and being a diva

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Sounds like he hasn't even talked with these guys yet about any of this... even if it don't get you anywere you can move on or don't let it bother you.. get a lock they cant pick and keep on huntin

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