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hard to believe #6032251 11/16/15 03:41 PM
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But, I have a mule deer doe on our place outside of Austin. I've seen it a couple times already hanging out with a whitetail spike. I have absolutely no clue how it got here or where it came from, maybe an escapee from a high fence? Next time I see it I'll have my camera ready. No doubt it has the big ears and solid white rear of a mulie, and has the same bouncing run. Now, since Bastrop county doesn't have a mule deer season, is it considered an exotic or is it off limits? Does anyone have a link to the regs on this?

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I would have to see pics to believe it. The only Mule Deer outside of the TransPecos and Panhandle will be in licensed breeding pens. Since there is no season in your county for them, I would think you can not shoot it. It still is a native species and fall under TPWD guidelines and regs.


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I'm pretty positive since mule deer are found in Texas that it's illegal to take one in a county that doesn't have a season. But that is a cool sighting!


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Quick solution and answer, call your county GW


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Quick solution and answer, call your county GW


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IF its a native game animal to Tx and you do not have a season you cannot shoot it...

that's if its a muley indeed...

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I'm not so sure why you think it would be hard to believe. Mulies exist in the state and as such they can and do move around. I believe some deer are just wanderers. Once when I was driving through Missouri I saw a mulie in a hay meadow. I had to turn around and double check, but that is what it was. I grew up in CO so I know what mulies look like. For what it is worth I once killed a whitetail buck along the Colorado River outside Kremmling, CO. I took it to the DOW office in Hot Sulfur Springs and they said they had never heard of one in that area. This buck was at least 150 miles west of where he should have been and was on the wrong side of the Continental Divide to boot.

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Bastrop is about 250 miles minimum from the eastern edge home range of mule deer in West Texas. Don't think that is ideal Mule Deer habitat. Any chance is was a Sika doe, they have similar color and white rump patch along with the bouncing run as Mule Deer, just not the huge ears. Sika Deer are free ranging all over the Hill Country. If it is a Mule Deer then my vote is an escapee from a mule deer breeder pen in that area with all the recent flooding. Does it have any ear tags?


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I'm not so sure why you think it would be hard to believe. Mulies exist in the state and as such they can and do move around. I believe some deer are just wanderers. Once when I was driving through Missouri I saw a mulie in a hay meadow. I had to turn around and double check, but that is what it was. I grew up in CO so I know what mulies look like. For what it is worth I once killed a whitetail buck along the Colorado River outside Kremmling, CO. I took it to the DOW office in Hot Sulfur Springs and they said they had never heard of one in that area. This buck was at least 150 miles west of where he should have been and was on the wrong side of the Continental Divide to boot.


Whitetails are 100x more adaptive then Mule deer.


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That's way further south than I've ever heard of one. I will say their range seems to be expanding in the last 10yrs. Seeing more and more around Sweetwater/Abilene. Saw a fork horn outside Blackwell last year.

Could be the drought or fires pushing them south in my area, because there's an established herd in Fisher county. Austin is too far south I would think....

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We have mule deer shot every couple of years in MN. The nearest natural range is the Missouri river. Here's a story fron Wisconsin http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2015/11/05/rare-mule-deer-harvested-in-wisconsin/75238868/


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Originally Posted By: nsmike
We have mule deer shot every couple of years in MN. The nearest natural range is the Missouri river. Here's a story fron Wisconsin http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2015/11/05/rare-mule-deer-harvested-in-wisconsin/75238868/

I would think Canada and North Dakota would be much closer for most of the upper half of your state though, would it not?


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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Any chance is was a Sika doe, they have similar color and white rump patch along with the bouncing run as Mule Deer, just not the huge ears.


Wow, I don't think I've ever seen one so I looked it up. They do have similar colorations.



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We have mule deer shot every couple of years in MN. The nearest natural range is the Missouri river. Here's a story fron Wisconsin http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2015/11/05/rare-mule-deer-harvested-in-wisconsin/75238868/

I would think Canada and North Dakota would be much closer for most of the upper half of your state though, would it not?

The Missouri river runs through both N Dakota and S Dakota with Mule deer ranging east east to the river valley. I believe if you were to draw a line due north thru Pierre and Bismark you would be pretty close to the normal range in Canada. The ones I can remember were from counties between Big Stone Lake and Fargo ND and east to I94.


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Any chance is was a Sika doe, they have similar color and white rump patch along with the bouncing run as Mule Deer, just not the huge ears.


Wow, I don't think I've ever seen one so I looked it up. They do have similar colorations.



That could be a possibility, but it definitely wasn't that dark, it was a very light gray. And the ears weren't that small, can those breed with a whitetail?

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We had a few mule deer on a lease east of Glenrose. Even had a couple that had crossed with a white tail. Called the Game Warden to see if they were legal to take. He said NO, since there was no season in that county we could not take them. Asked about the couple that had cross bred. He also said , no. I was told that if any of the characteristics on the deer were mule deer, they could not be harvested.


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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown

Whitetails are 100x more adaptive then Mule deer.


So take a shot at explaining the one I saw in Missouri. How did it get there? Fly? Missouri isn't known as a place that pen raises mulies.

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15 years back, Missouri's game manual published a warning each year for NW portion of the state that Mule Deer had been seen in the area. Supposedly coming from central Kansas.


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Any chance is was a Sika doe, they have similar color and white rump patch along with the bouncing run as Mule Deer, just not the huge ears.


Wow, I don't think I've ever seen one so I looked it up. They do have similar colorations.



That could be a possibility, but it definitely wasn't that dark, it was a very light gray. And the ears weren't that small, can those breed with a whitetail?

Sika come in several lighter to darker color shades. The are across the US in several states that have game farms and free ranging.


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I don't think that's what it was, it definitely had a white throat and bigger ears.

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Originally Posted By: Bbear
15 years back, Missouri's game manual published a warning each year for NW portion of the state that Mule Deer had been seen in the area. Supposedly coming from central Kansas.

Nebraska has Mule Deer also and lists them on the Eastern part of the state at 0-20% compared to 80-100% whitetails for poplulation. There are a lot of deer breeders in Missouri as well as exotic breeders. Don't know if Mule Deer are allowed in their pens or not.


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Originally Posted By: Erichugh22
I don't think that's what it was, it definitely had a white throat and bigger ears.

Get a pic and it will end all debate. My guess will still be if it is a mule deer it will be from a mule deer breeder pen in that area. It will have or had tags if it escaped during the recent floods.


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