texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
Jrsandusky, Natedogg503, CarryTexas, HNS81, NoahJ
67454 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 104,255
bill oxner 74,593
stxranchman 56,727
SnakeWrangler 53,988
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,451
BMD 41,091
Gravytrain 40,831
Facebook
Forum Statistics
Forums45
Topics588,529
Posts11,092,746
Members82,454
Most Online19,184
Feb 5th, 2020
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Doe Management? #5987677 10/21/15 07:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
T
ThreePeppers Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
T
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
Wondering how you guys pick which does to take out of the herd. Do you just look for the oldest, fattest doe you can find or is there a real thought process behind it. I'd like to take a couple out this year but want to leave plenty of buck lure out there. Is there a difference in the heat cycles of old vs young? Ability to carry twins? Does either give off a stronger estrus scent and are the bucks attracted to one over the other or do they even care? Thanks in advance for all the advice.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987684 10/21/15 07:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 355
E
esnow74 Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
E
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 355
interesting topic, I have always thought maybe early season was best time to reduce the risk of shooting 3 deer with one shot, pregnant with twins. I know that may be over thinking it but have just always kind of wondered if anyone took that into consideration. Also what about bow season when a doe has fawns with her? I was about to let an arrow fly on a doe last weekend but while I watched for a while to let them get nice and calm, the fawn tried to nurse. I do not know if the doe was still producing milk but it made me decide to wait another week or two or maybe find one without fawns. I'm not trying to steal the thread but just wanted to add to the discussion.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987688 10/21/15 07:50 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,282
J
jrgocards Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
J
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,282
When bow hunting I shoot the 1st doe that presents a good shot. Gun hunting I'll take the biggest doe in a group.

JR

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987699 10/21/15 07:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
T
ThreePeppers Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
T
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
snow... I agree with you on the pregnancy thing. I've always thought they should have the doe and spike season before the general season instead of at the end. Doesn't make any sense to me to be shooting does in mid Jan and if you're going to take the spikes for management reasons then before the rut would make more sense. One of the does I'm looking at is considerably bigger than the others and looks like she might be nursing.


Last edited by ThreePeppers; 10/21/15 08:20 PM.
Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987793 10/21/15 09:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 267
M
Mavric Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 267
There are several reasons to keep the large mature does on your place....the biggest reason is does pass down genetics as well.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987806 10/21/15 09:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,604
fouzman Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,604
Depends on your situation. If you only have to kill a few, you can be choosy about looking them over and taking does that suit you.

If you have a bunch to kill and few hunters to do it, a doe is a doe, regardless of age. We've got to kill 40 this year and I'll probably shoot at least 25 of them. A doe fawn will get shot just as quick as a mature one. We're MLD and I should have already killed at least 10, but I can't go during the week and we've had one heavy and two moderate rains at the ranch the past three weekends. Getting around that area of Webb Co. is very difficult when it's wet. Plus, it tears some of the roads up.


Last edited by fouzman; 10/21/15 09:35 PM.
Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987815 10/21/15 09:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 12,508
Q
QuitShootinYoungBucks Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
Q
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 12,508
We used to hunt bucks first and then fill our license/allotment out later in the year with does, but after reading some of STX' posts I've come to think you ought to be shooting does as early as possible so your bucks don't waste time/effort impregnating a doe that you're going to shoot.

As for which ones to shoot, if you're under a management plan you ought to shoot the oldest ones first as those are least likely to have the genetics you've been trying to propogate. Of course that depends on the amount of time you've been managing-there might be some older does that have great genetics.

I like to shoot dry does if possible, or does with single or large fawns. I try to leave does that have small/young fawns that might still be nursing and can use mama to keep them pointed in the right direction.


[Linked Image]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987831 10/21/15 09:45 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,604
fouzman Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,604
I've tried the bucks first approach, too. stx partially convinced me of the opposite tact several years ago. What really solidified as many does as possible early for me was trying to kill does during and long after the primary rut. They go underground big time on our place during that period.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987855 10/21/15 09:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 56,727
S
stxranchman Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 56,727
A lot depends on the ranch, the location in the state and population numbers. I will shoot does differently on a ranch that has not been managed compared to one that has been managed. I will shoot does at a different time of the season in South Texas compared to the Hill Country. What age doe I select is totally dependent on what the buck side looks like and if the ranch has been managed. Like posted above, if you have a lot to shoot then if it is brown it is down. As far as killing a bred doe or lactating doe, I will not make a lot of difference IMO. All does should be bred during the season. If you have a bad buck to doe ration then no telling who or what is doing the breeding. If you have a good buck to doe ratio a buck is not breeding that many does in one season. If he is mature then he has bred a few does over the year, so it still not critical. What you do with the does on a ranch can shape it for the future years. I am firm believer you can do more for your deer herd with doe management then continue in the future killing select does and bucks off. If you are doing things right your younger deer will be better than their parents.


[Linked Image]
Re: Doe Management? [Re: stxranchman] #5987888 10/21/15 10:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,604
fouzman Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,604
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I am firm believer you can do more for your deer herd with doe management then continue in the future killing select does and bucks off. If you are doing things right your younger deer will be better than their parents.


Not to mention that young does seem to have a higher % of buck vs. doe fawns in well balanced herds.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: fouzman] #5987891 10/21/15 10:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 56,727
S
stxranchman Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 56,727
Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I am firm believer you can do more for your deer herd with doe management then continue in the future killing select does and bucks off. If you are doing things right your younger deer will be better than their parents.


Not to mention that young does seem to have a higher % of buck vs. doe fawns.

Yes they do. That dictates what you are wanting do after a survey when you start to manage a place.


[Linked Image]
Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987910 10/21/15 10:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
T
ThreePeppers Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
T
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
That's great information. You guys are a wealth of information as always.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5987976 10/21/15 11:25 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 124
T
TXRobTRX Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
T
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 124
appreciate the info - you guys got me thinking to reverse and start after the does first

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988105 10/22/15 12:36 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 17,271
T
Txduckman Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 17,271
On my lease we only take 2 to 3 a year so not picky. At other places, try to get an older one.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988151 10/22/15 12:56 AM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 21,271
S
SniperRAB Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 21,271
One of the most overlooked aspects of management ...


Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988297 10/22/15 02:27 AM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 352
C
ctonsmitty Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
C
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 352
I try to shoot the "smart" doe, the one who is hanging back, most cautious and usually the last to present herself. I find that these does are usually the "old" doe of the group.
These are usually the 4.5+ year old flavor.

**the last one I shot that fit the description above was 6.5/7.5

If they are bunched up in a group, I pick one that has a long nose or what I call a "big bird" doe

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988308 10/22/15 02:34 AM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 13,297
Ramsey Offline
Pepe' Le Pew
Offline
Pepe' Le Pew
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 13,297
We have too many as only about 15 killed last year on 6000 acres with 20 hunters. In bow season I try to kill.late mornings if possible.


GET A MORTGAGE HERE AND GET A FREE YETI!
Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988343 10/22/15 02:57 AM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 2,307
B
BowsnRods Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
B
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 2,307
I practise the STX method in the hill country and with our management program that has been in place for 8 yrs we now harvest our doe numbers early in the season utilizing archery so the harvest is very quite. I harvest enough doe to keep the ratio at 1/1.5 and this is calculated by our surveys that we do in August and September. I do not include any fawns in our surveys due to the inability to be accurate on sexting. I choose to harvest older doe that appear to be barren or without a fawn/fawns. I also find that by harvesting your doe early in the season if your ratio is well balanced your bucks dont tend to break up as bad. Just my practise!

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988371 10/22/15 03:13 AM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 27,887
N
Navasot Offline
Hollywood
Offline
Hollywood
N
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 27,887
If you need to take them dont worry about the details... fawns are old enough to take care of themselfs by then.. doe is a doe and population control is more important.. on small places and new places you can be more careful.. if you have a doe that has twins and one that has a single then its obvious.. if you notice one that has bucks more than others then keep her... thats just my opinion... I mainly look for doe that are barren or have female fawns with them.. i have a very high doe ratio... this leads me to give every buck the chance to get some age to him.

But if you have a certain number you need to meet this nit picking isnt helping you need to get it done and dont get hung up on the details

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988392 10/22/15 03:25 AM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 17,803
T
Texas Dan Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 17,803
There's a good article on effective doe harvesting in the current (November) issue of Deer and Deer Hunting magazine. The author, a retired wildlife biologist, explains the logic behind his recommendations on how to approach selective harvesting of doe.


Dan

Re: Doe Management? [Re: ctonsmitty] #5988546 10/22/15 11:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 6,775
K
kry226 Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
K
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 6,775
Originally Posted By: ctonsmitty
I try to shoot the "smart" doe, the one who is hanging back, most cautious and usually the last to present herself. I find that these does are usually the "old" doe of the group.
These are usually the 4.5+ year old flavor.

**the last one I shot that fit the description above was 6.5/7.5

If they are bunched up in a group, I pick one that has a long nose or what I call a "big bird" doe


Sometimes in certain situations, I'll do this too. But every so often, I get a VERY territorial doe that whips up on all there other deer and tries to run all the young bucks off. This is the one I'll let the air out of in those instances.

But like others have said, it just depends on the situation.

Re: Doe Management? [Re: Texas Dan] #5988769 10/22/15 02:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 12,508
Q
QuitShootinYoungBucks Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
Q
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 12,508
Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
There's a good article on effective doe harvesting in the current (November) issue of Deer and Deer Hunting magazine. The author, a retired wildlife biologist, explains the logic behind his recommendations on how to approach selective harvesting of doe.


What did the article say? I can't find it online.


[Linked Image]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988803 10/22/15 02:46 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
T
ThreePeppers Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
T
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 466
Couple of the does I'm looking at...








Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988819 10/22/15 02:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 12,508
Q
QuitShootinYoungBucks Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
Q
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 12,508
Get 'em, TP!


[Linked Image]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers] #5988837 10/22/15 03:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 56,727
S
stxranchman Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 56,727
What is your buck to doe ratio? What is the CC for your area? What is your fawn crop like this year? Lot of unknowns.


[Linked Image]
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2019 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3