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Need help 6 year old wants to shoot a deer #5985200 10/20/15 12:01 PM
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Deer I have, but the gun I do not. He is an avg size 6 year old, and wont fit most of my guns. What is a good youth model to get him so that he is ok with the size and recoil as well as the deer going down...

On the fence about a 223 and a 243 single shot has a bit of pop to it. Any help would be great!

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I shot my first deer with a breakover single shot 243. The ones with the interchangeable barrel , I was 6 and small for my age. I don't remember it ever kicking bad at all.

Where are you located? I will be glad to let him shoot it if he wants to

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I would consider an AR platform ideally in 308 with an adjustable slide stock.

Not much recoil, he can grow into it, and a real fun gun for both of you to go out and shoot with.


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You might look into the managed recoil loads in a .243 or 7mm-08 to practice with on the range then go with a regular load when shooting a deer. He will not even notice the recoil in the heat of the hunt.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/managed-recoil/managed-recoil.aspx
http://www.hornady.com/store/243-Win-87-gr-SST-Custom-Lite/


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Originally Posted By: jcarroll3
I shot my first deer with a breakover single shot 243. The ones with the interchangeable barrel , I was 6 and small for my age. I don't remember it ever kicking bad at all.

Where are you located? I will be glad to let him shoot it if he wants to


Nice offer but I'm in Abilene. I guess I'm stuck between the 243 or just let him shoot my AR in 223. I sure dont want to track a deer with all the snakes we have and I'm not 100% convinced of the 223 on a deer with a 6 year old doing the shooting...

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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
You might look into the managed recoil loads in a .243 or 7mm-08 to practice with on the range then go with a regular load when shooting a deer. He will not even notice the recoil in the heat of the hunt.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/managed-recoil/managed-recoil.aspx
http://www.hornady.com/store/243-Win-87-gr-SST-Custom-Lite/
Good thinking! With the groups of deer that come into this feeder the shot will be all of 30 yards.

I dont remember being this pumped about deer season in a long time! Man I want him to enjoy it!

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You might look into the managed recoil loads in a .243 or 7mm-08 to practice with on the range then go with a regular load when shooting a deer. He will not even notice the recoil in the heat of the hunt.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/managed-recoil/managed-recoil.aspx
http://www.hornady.com/store/243-Win-87-gr-SST-Custom-Lite/
Good thinking! With the groups of deer that come into this feeder the shot will be all of 30 yards.

I dont remember being this pumped about deer season in a long time! Man I want him to enjoy it!

With young kids on one ranch I managed, they had 2 exact same rifles at the ranch to hunt with. One a rimfire and the other a center fire. Same rifle, stock, scope everything but caliber. They practiced with rimfire then hunted with the other. Not one of them ever said a thing about recoil when killing their deer.


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I shot my first deer with a breakover single shot 243. The ones with the interchangeable barrel , I was 6 and small for my age. I don't remember it ever kicking bad at all.

Where are you located? I will be glad to let him shoot it if he wants to


Nice offer but I'm in Abilene. I guess I'm stuck between the 243 or just let him shoot my AR in 223. I sure dont want to track a deer with all the snakes we have and I'm not 100% convinced of the 223 on a deer with a 6 year old doing the shooting...

I have had a couple of first time youth hunters use a .223 all with success. Good bullet, close shot and great bullet placement resulted in first deer with all of them. They shot heart shots. I have used 55 grain Remington PSP in my .223 with great success. I shoot hi-point of the shoulder.


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Does your AR have a scope? At 30 yards it should be plenty with a good bullet. If you're that worried it tells me he's not ready no matter what caliber is used. Practice, practice, practice!


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I just learned from my kid that he likes to practice with his .22 but when he shoots at a deer he doesn't notice the recoil from the 30.06. He said he was too excited to even remember if it kicks. Don't go too small a caliber might have a worse experience if he doesn't recover his first deer.


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I bought my grandson a Thompson Contender (rifle stock) in 223 that he used to shoot his first 3 deer. My granddaughter is not learning to shoot it so that she can shoot a deer this season.

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That is suppose to read "granddaughter is NOW learning to shoot it"

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All of the first timers around here start with a .223 I have that's pistol grip and has an adjustable youth stock, shooting 64 grain nosler's.

One of the biggest things over looked is being sure the gun fits the shooter. They haven't lost one yet in 10+ years and 7 or so different kids, with that gun.

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I shot my first few deer with a Remington semi auto 243 and 100 gr Cor Lokts. Worked just fine and practically no recoil.


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I just bought my 8yr old a youth 7mm-08 (cva hunter) at academy for $179 and he loves it. Right now we are using hornady 139gr interlock rounds and he is shooting a 1 in grouping at 150yrds. For a six year old a reduced recoil round probably wouldn't hurt. We debated about a 223 but after all the research we decided to go with the 7mm-08 because it has plenty of knock down power.

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I've helped some young kids with their first deer hunt. I have them use a Marlin 1894C or Rossi R92 chambered in 357 Mag with a 175 grain cast bullet and a reduced load. All I want for terminal performance is 1000 FPE at 70 yards. Nothing but a pop (and flop on the deer end of things). I also like trying to get them a fairly nice deer for the first kill.



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Cant go wrong with a .243 i shot my first deer at age 7 with a .270 so a .243 would be a cake walk! Either way no matter what you choose to do just thank the lord your little one wants to get out there and hunt! Would much rather hear a 6 year old say he wants to go shoot a deer rather than hear a 6 year old just want to sit home playing video games. Goodluck to yall!


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Either caliber is good. My daughters both shot their first deer at 8 and 10 years old with a 223. We hunted close and did a neck shot.
With a .243 go with the managed recoil loads previously mentioned.
It is important with little ones to make sure that they do not get gun shy, so you are on the right track. I have hunted with dozens of youth hunters, and a missed shot due to a kid pulling because of recoil freight is not fun for anybody.
I am not a fan of youth models (although a comfortable fit is important). I had a .243 that I used as a brush gun that beat me up, I hated to shoot with it and finally sold it.
After their first deer my daughters lugged around a heavy barrel .243 for years and they loved it. They both still hunt with the same gun and they are 22 and 27 years old. They were little and would walk 100-300 yards to the blind with it but they loved the stability and reduced recoil. After all, hunting in a deer blind is actually almost the same as shooting from a bench rest with the rifle balanced in a window opening. So weight of the gun is not an issue for shooting.


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My buddies daughters shoot a reduced recoil .308 they have killed many deer with it. They are ages 8-12 he said it kicks less than a .243 and he likes knowing they have a 30 cal bullet.


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If you're considering buying, think about a .300 blackout on an ar platform. Shoot a Hornady 110 gr vmax and it will kill anything he hits right. Adjustable stock, not much recoil....I have a smith@wesson mp 15 that came with a 5r barrel. Shoots surprisingly accurate.


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Just get the boy a bigger stick!


Just about anything he can shoot will work, just important to get the stand set up for someone his size. (Ex: window height/chair height so he can sit to shoot, place to put his elbow, etc.)

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I bought a 223 rem 700 for a varmint gun. One day decided to shoot deer with it. A 60 grain nosler partition will go straight through both shoulders of avg. sized texas deer, buck or doe and leave a good blood trail, if needed. My SIL has been using it for several years now, and even with less than spectacular bullet placement(we have had low, forwar, and gut) hits we have yet to not recover a deer within a few hours.

Personally I would take the 6 YO hunting with me and make him wait a few more years, but that's JMHO.


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Thanks for all the advice! We went and got him a 223 break over. He was on it even with a less than perfect rest at 75 yards. Got some 62gr federal fusion and off we went. He's been sitting with me now 2 years and wants to get into the game so we will give it a go. We live on the ranch so he's all about hunting and fishing.


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