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Monkey see monkey do? #598173 02/12/09 10:20 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 342 Tuscola, Texas J jmscalf OP Bird Dog
OP jmscalf Bird Dog J Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 342 Tuscola, Texas	Does anybody believe that dogs learn better from another older dog that has been taught rights and wrongs? Does this save time and stop bad habbits before they start? Just wanted you guys opinion on this before I went thru with my thought of trying this out?

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: jmscalf] #598174 02/12/09 11:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,177 Belton Tx S sallysue Veteran Tracker
sallysue Veteran Tracker S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,177 Belton Tx	I got 3 dogs and if one of thems pees on something the other 2 do too.

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: jmscalf] #598175 02/12/09 11:21 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,594 dfw F First_Chance Veteran Tracker
First_Chance Veteran Tracker F Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,594 dfw	Absolutely! No question that a younger dog will learn from an older dog, but... it depends on what "rights and wrongs" you are referring to.

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: sallysue] #598176 02/12/09 11:37 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,279 Abilene, TX B BradyBuck THF Trophy Hunter
BradyBuck THF Trophy Hunter B Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,279 Abilene, TX	Quote: I got 3 dogs and if one of thems pees on something the other 2 do too. lol!!! I think dogs pick up certain behaviors for sure.. HRCH Washita's Kimber Locked N Loaded GRHRCH Firefly's Rally The Troops MH

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: BradyBuck] #598177 02/13/09 05:30 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 880 Flower Mound M MarkG Tracker
MarkG Tracker M Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 880 Flower Mound	My older "mom" brit taught her daughter real quick what and how to "Honor" and she never passed her mother on point again. It only took once. On the other side she also taught her to be an escape artist, she had some very creative tricks to get out of a kennel. I35roofing.com

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: MarkG] #598178 02/13/09 05:10 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,177 Belton Tx S sallysue Veteran Tracker
sallysue Veteran Tracker S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,177 Belton Tx	Yes I think they do but I think that not the answer to training a bird dog.

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: sallysue] #598179 02/13/09 07:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 157 La Grange, TX R rb85cj7 Woodsman
rb85cj7 Woodsman R Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 157 La Grange, TX	what kind of dog? What are you wanting to teach?

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: rb85cj7] #598180 02/14/09 06:02 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,405 Ennis, TX C coolie THF Celebrity
coolie THF Celebrity C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,405 Ennis, TX	How do you think wolves learn to hunt?

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: coolie] #598181 02/14/09 06:31 AM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,429 Aubrey, TX A Angie B Pro Tracker
Angie B Pro Tracker A Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,429 Aubrey, TX	Quote: How do you think wolves learn to hunt? Well if I wanted my dog to act like a wolf or a common pet,,, that may work?? If I wanted more from my dog,,, I'd be darn sure it didn't learn it from a dog.. Angie "Developing the Potential" www.tiogaretrievers.com

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: Angie B] #598182 02/14/09 07:08 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,405 Ennis, TX C coolie THF Celebrity
coolie THF Celebrity C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,405 Ennis, TX	Labs yes, bird dogs no.

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: coolie] #598183 02/14/09 02:25 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,907 Central Texas T TreeBass Old Weller
TreeBass Old Weller T Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 23,907 Central Texas	Hmmm, food for thought..was thinking along the same lines as well..still considering a new pup My success in life is measured by the number of hunting and fishing stories that my kids can share with others... Like the THF on Facebook - www.facebook.com/texashuntingforum Grizzly Coolers

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: TreeBass] #598184 02/15/09 03:43 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 14,278 Black Dog, Texas F Fooshman THF Celebrity
Fooshman THF Celebrity F Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 14,278 Black Dog, Texas	My dog taught my friend's dog how to jump into the bed of the truck as well as quite a bit of other things.

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: Fooshman] #598185 02/19/09 01:18 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,875 magnolia tx B blanked Pro Tracker
blanked Pro Tracker B Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,875 magnolia tx	as long as the young dog isnt just following around the old dog. young dog needs to learn to hunt on his own

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: blanked] #598186 02/19/09 02:39 AM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,429 Aubrey, TX A Angie B Pro Tracker
Angie B Pro Tracker A Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,429 Aubrey, TX	Quote: as long as the young dog isnt just following around the old dog. young dog needs to learn to hunt on his own What they usually end up doing is letting the old dog hunt and then they grab the bird... Young dogs can be such sand baggers...LOL Angie "Developing the Potential" www.tiogaretrievers.com

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: Angie B] #598187 02/19/09 03:54 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,951 Barney Lake WMA, Texas L lakewaydr50 Pro Tracker
lakewaydr50 Pro Tracker L Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,951 Barney Lake WMA, Texas	This method works great with rabbit beagles. That is how we always trained new pups. With other types of dogs, I don't know, but I think it is all about what you are trying to accomplish as to weather it will work or not. Isaiah 40:31 "but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: Angie B] #598188 02/19/09 07:49 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 14,278 Black Dog, Texas F Fooshman THF Celebrity
Fooshman THF Celebrity F Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 14,278 Black Dog, Texas	Quote: What they usually end up doing is letting the old dog hunt and then they grab the bird... Young dogs can be such sand baggers...LOL Angie Funny you say that. My friends dog would wait for my dog to make teh long deep water retrieves as he would stand in the ankle deep water and would try to take the bird when she came back in. I don't think I ever saw that dog in water that he had to swim in even when he was older.

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: Fooshman] #598189 02/19/09 08:18 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,279 Abilene, TX B BradyBuck THF Trophy Hunter
BradyBuck THF Trophy Hunter B Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,279 Abilene, TX	My younger male will try and do this all the time but he will try and beat her to it. if does not he will try and take it from her in the water or wait till they hit the land. I have been working with him hard. I will put him on a sit stay and then play fetch with my female in the back yard. I will play with her throw his ball and sticks. He hates it. He is getting better though. The problem I am having is I had them both fetching on the command "fetch". I am trying to change to their names so they do not get confused on which dog I want to retrieve. Hopefully I can have them both hunting with me and alternate retrieves. I wish I would have started both of them with the fetch command being their names instead of fetch. Last edited by BradyBuck60; 02/19/09 08:21 PM. HRCH Washita's Kimber Locked N Loaded GRHRCH Firefly's Rally The Troops MH

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: BradyBuck] #598190 02/20/09 01:22 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,951 Barney Lake WMA, Texas L lakewaydr50 Pro Tracker
lakewaydr50 Pro Tracker L Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,951 Barney Lake WMA, Texas	Quote: My younger male will try and do this all the time but he will try and beat her to it. if does not he will try and take it from her in the water or wait till they hit the land. I have been working with him hard. I will put him on a sit stay and then play fetch with my female in the back yard. I will play with her throw his ball and sticks. He hates it. He is getting better though. The problem I am having is I had them both fetching on the command "fetch". I am trying to change to their names so they do not get confused on which dog I want to retrieve. Hopefully I can have them both hunting with me and alternate retrieves. I wish I would have started both of them with the fetch command being their names instead of fetch. I hadn't really thought about that, right now I have Miley responding to a good stern "GO" and it works great, but if I get another puppy after next season I guess I'll have to change it up. Isaiah 40:31 "but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: lakewaydr50] #598191 02/20/09 08:05 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,029 Cedar Park, Texas T TexasEd THF Trophy Hunter
TexasEd THF Trophy Hunter T Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,029 Cedar Park, Texas	Another thing to think about is that for most force fetched dogs "fetch" is a command, not a go word. I can walk my dog down the street and say fetch when I point to an empty water bottle or stick and she picks it up as fast as possible. I use her name as the go word when she sees a mark fall and she goes out there to get it. If you think you might ever force fetch your dog in the future don't use fetch for a go word and its probably a bad idea anyway because it would confuse a Force Fetched dog if you were working around it in a training situation with more than one dog.

Re: Monkey see monkey do? [Re: TexasEd] #598192 02/21/09 09:06 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,279 Abilene, TX B BradyBuck THF Trophy Hunter
BradyBuck THF Trophy Hunter B Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,279 Abilene, TX	Quote: Another thing to think about is that for most force fetched dogs "fetch" is a command, not a go word. I can walk my dog down the street and say fetch when I point to an empty water bottle or stick and she picks it up as fast as possible. I use her name as the go word when she sees a mark fall and she goes out there to get it. If you think you might ever force fetch your dog in the future don't use fetch for a go word and its probably a bad idea anyway because it would confuse a Force Fetched dog if you were working around it in a training situation with more than one dog. I use the word fetch as a go word and fetch. I can point to anything and say fetch and they will pick it up. But it also is used to have them go and fetch. I guess I never realy thought about it any different. When you say "go" does she still fetch what ever you sent her to? HRCH Washita's Kimber Locked N Loaded GRHRCH Firefly's Rally The Troops MH

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