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Swarovski vs Ziess #5931623 09/16/15 06:31 PM
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I was wondering if anyone has looked through these and could tell me if one is better than other or if it's just a toss up.

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I would bet the swaro kicks the crap out of that zeiss hands down

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I don't want to sound like a d-bag but I've got both and my Swarorvski's really are clearer and brighter in low light conditions. Most hours of the day my old eyes can't tell a difference. The first and last 30 minutes of light in a day is when I can see the difference! Baker

Just so I'm clear with my point let me add, the Zeiss is some great glass and I've still got 2 Conquest mounted on rifles and I have no intention on replacing them with anything but the light gathering capabilities are not equal to the Swaro's.
I'd recommend everyone spend as much on their optics as they can. I've regretted buying several rifles and shotguns over the years but I've never had any buyer's remorse from buying quality optics!! Just my .02 cents Baker

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That's the info I was looking for the low light conditions seems to be where most can tell the difference.

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I don't want to sound like a d-bag but I've got both and my Swarorvski's really are clearer and brighter in low light conditions. Most hours of the day my old eyes can't tell a difference. The first and last 30 minutes of light in a day is when I can see the difference! Baker

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Swarovski all day long,if the Zeiss was one of the higher end models then it would be close.

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I have owned both of these scopes. The Swarovski is better in all lighting conditions expecially at higher magnification

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Swarovski, hands down, going away.

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Don't know much about ziess but I have looked through Swarovski and it was amazing.


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Originally Posted By: mikei
Swarovski, hands down, going away.
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Originally Posted By: CitySlickerHunter
Originally Posted By: mikei
Swarovski, hands down, going away.
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swaro has good glass but the erector system is junk! Had bunch of trouble with the three we had. I did bunch of online research and saw I was not the only one. Dumped them ar my local shop, where i got them from. Think you pay for the swaro name. Have a couple zeiss go belly up also and it takes them several months to repair. These scopes are hunted hard.

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Originally Posted By: huntandfish
swaro has good glass but the erector system is junk!


Care to elaborate on that, please? I don't understand your statement.


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The three we had would not hold zero at one time or another and very erratic erector system movement. One was sent back three times in a few years. The other two took a couple trips back. I did a online search and read many reports of this happeneing and seems this is a normal occurance.

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I guess what I'm trying to understand is, the erector jumping around? I have a couple of them, and shot many, however I have never noticed any of them jumping power. That is what the erector assembly is tied to, the power selector ring.

I have had one not hold zero, but upon further inspection, determined that one of the bases was not torqued down properly on the rifle. After taking everything apart and then re-installing the Z3 4-12X50 back on a .300 Win Mag it works flawlessly now.

The only complaint that I have heard from being in this industry it people wanting to use Swarovski hunting scopes, like tactical scopes. I mean going to the range, and dialing their shots repeatedly. They are not tactical products. Simply put, Swarovski manufactures a riflescope for the sole purpose of hunting.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I think the definitions are wrong. The erector controls the power used.



Illustrated in the video above, within the optical design, you see the erector attached to the power selector ring, allowing for variable scopes to transition magnification from one end of the spectrum to the opposite end.


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The Swarovski scopes I have used, I use like I'm walking on egg shells. I personally have broken 2 of the high end one's when dialing them in. Swarovski puts the color coded rings on them to be dialed for distance, and hunters want this. So, I have a lot of customers bring me this set up, and you have to set these color coded rings when dialing the scope out to 400-500 yards. They have a very small amount of internal elevation travel already. So, you have to make sure you have the correct bases to account for a good zero, and some elevation.

Sure, the Swarovski glass is great and clear. But WTF does good glass do for you if the internals take a dump. I'm not a fan of the Swarovski scopes, no matter how good the glass is. I need gear that will hold up to my shooting and uses. I see a lot of gear and shoot probably 100x more than the average shooter.

I waited to comment on this thread to see what direction it went. But there are 2 scopes you will never find on my rifle, and that's a Swarovski or a Ziess (unless it's a Hensoldt)



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Chad for hunting and here in Texas, the reality is about 100-200 maybe 300 yards, but that is pushing it for most of the hunting population in Texas.
With that in mind Swarovski and Zeiss are certainly notable choices.

However, for shooting and I mean a significant amount of shooting, I agree. There are several other options I would opt for. I.E. SS, PST's, Mark 4's and the list goes on, however you can see that the line up is more geared for tactical use.

I won't bash a manufactures creations for something that they didn't optimize their product for. I think what they have created is great and certainly meets the needs of the general hunting population.


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Yes, I would agree. But why would Swarovski create the color coded dial system if the scope can not handle it? Most of the Swaro guys get the high end magnification scopes. The high mag scopes have the least amount of travel internally, and they end up maxing out the scope on the low or high end, which messes up internals.



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For the times when you are sitting your deer blind with a range finder looking down a sendero for the moment with the buck you have been illusively tracking steps out, but not at the feeder, beyond that and you range him and he comes out to 350, twist the dial and squeeze the trigger.

Personally the 3-10 Z3 and 3.5-18 Z5 are my favorite. I simply do not have the need for the Z6 at the moment. Who knows, that could change by the time my son graduates and maintains his grades. There maybe a south Africa trip in his future.

Swarovski's latest offering, the X5, addresses the people who shot a lot, I mean a lot and dial, dial and re-peatedly dial.
Matter of fact, there was one man who spent about a week behind one, who is a active LR user and shooter who wrote an article on the X5 with great findings. I'll try to find the link and share it with you. I was really impressed by what he wrote and would like to run one out, given the opportunity.
Check them out Chad.
http://swfa.com/X5-C13013.aspx

http://swfa.com/X5i-C13014.aspx


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I have 2 3-10 Z3's. For what I use them for (hunting anything within 300 yards, one on a .270 Win. and one on a .30-06) they've been fantastic scopes. Glass is VERY good (especially in low light) and they have held zero perfectly for years.

I'd probably use something else if I was constantly dialing, but I seldom do.


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I mount quite a few scopes every week at work and a couple a week on my on time.

It could be just my imagination but it seems like the more expensive scopes have less windage and elevation adjustment than less expensive scopes. I would think it would be the opposite.


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My father and I both have owned the 5-25 z5 for 5 or 6 years on our main hunting rifles. We hunt west Texas and the guns ride in the back of a truck on the way down in a pelican case (7.5 hours drive). This trip includes a 13.5 mile (1hour)trip down a very bad dirt road.

Then we put them in the back of a mule riding for hours up and down hills rocks etc banging around in a high rack. This includes taking them down and tracking on foot up and down mountains banging brush and rocks.

We do this at least 15 to 20 times a year and havent had any issues with the swarovski. Just my experience. We do not dial in too often as we rely on the reticle but we do hunt from 200 to 800 or so.

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I have the Z3 with a custom turret to my round/elevation (traded in the color coded rings). It is zero'd at 100 yards and dials out to 500 (with a zero stop). Works awesome and the glass clarity at dusk/dawn is just amazing. Much better glass at low light than the Zeiss Conquest.

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Originally Posted By: booradley
It could be just my imagination but it seems like the more expensive scopes have less windage and elevation adjustment than less expensive scopes. I would think it would be the opposite.


The smaller the tube, generally the less elevation and windage travel. But it also depends on magnification range. Some of your 1" tubes with a high 18x to 25x will have very little travel. Your 30mm tubes get more internal travel, and your 34mm and 35mm even more.



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My Swaro has the TDS reticle so from point blank to 300 plus there is no dialing required. Works for me as I'd seldom shoot at game over 300.


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