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Management or Cull
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09/16/15 03:11 AM
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titan2232
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Our lease rules state:
Trophy: 5.5 or older with at least 9 points
Management Buck: 5.5 8 point
Cull Buck: 4.5 with 7 points or fewer
I have never "managed" a deer herd with a group of hunters before so this is all new. Seems there isn't much difference in a management and cull buck?
Last edited by titan2232; 09/16/15 03:12 AM.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
#5930769
09/16/15 03:30 AM
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SapperTitan
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Cull=Bad genetics as in 7pt uneven number of points on sides
Management= Mature buck not meeting the standard as in 5 1/2 yr old 8 pt scoring 120
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 03:35 AM
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titan2232
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One of the largest bodied bucks seen on the property. I'd take him as a trophy and be perfectly fine with it.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 03:39 AM
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SapperTitan
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Trophy is definitely in the eye of the beholder but you have to separate yourself and your opinion from what the lease is capable of. Even though you think a 130 10 point is a trophy a true trophy in the opinion of the ranch owner or lease manager may be 150 10 point. Rules are rules but as long as you end up happy its worth it.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
#5930796
09/16/15 03:46 AM
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Navasot
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are you saying this because of his almost one inch brow making him a 7 and you get three buck tags?
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
#5930802
09/16/15 03:49 AM
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Navasot
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I like just setting an age standard across the board and running with it..
I shoot anything over 4 here. but my trigger finger gets itchy
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: Navasot]
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09/16/15 04:03 AM
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Captain Luke
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I like just setting an age standard across the board and running with it..
I shoot anything over 4 here. but my trigger finger gets itchy So does mine. Lol
If you want some friendly advice, get a haircut and take a bath. You wouldn't get hassled so much.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 12:59 PM
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So what is a 5.5 YO 10 point that scores 106, short stuby tines and 15 inches of spread?
I think those standards/guidelines need some help. Also like you said management and cull may as well be one in the same.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 12:59 PM
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redchevy
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Does and hogs know just how to ease my trigger finger.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 02:19 PM
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Management, mature, maybe going down hill or just don't make the grade or standard set. Cull, young, could be as young as 2.5 but shows no pontentialto make the minimum goals set for your heard.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 03:08 PM
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don k
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: don k]
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09/16/15 03:10 PM
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Navasot
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 03:14 PM
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In my world, there is no such thing as a "management buck". The deer either fits the program or he is a cull. The term "management hunts" came about so landowners could charge more for bigger culls.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: don k]
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09/16/15 05:01 PM
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive. You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: fouzman]
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09/16/15 05:03 PM
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In my world, there is no such thing as a "management buck". The deer either fits the program or he is a cull. The term "management hunts" came about so landowners could charge more for bigger culls. Yep. Younger deer that don't fit the mold are all in the same group, they need to go. I don't care what we call them, I prefer dead.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/16/15 06:26 PM
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Same thing. He is either or will be a trophy or he isn't. Don't complicate things.
How come everybody I meet is a deer hunting expert?
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: 8pointdrop]
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09/16/15 06:55 PM
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don k
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive. You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that. Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: don k]
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09/16/15 07:01 PM
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive. You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that. Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on. That's hard for anybody and usually a guess on deer that you don't have history with.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: 8pointdrop]
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09/17/15 12:26 AM
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titan2232
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive. You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that. Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on. That's hard for anybody and usually a guess on deer that you don't have history with. This is my exact problem right now. I'm seeing a lot of deer that look very old to me, but we have no past history with the animals aside from a few pictures from the previous group, our ranch manager/myself don't have a lot of aging experience, and the ranch manager is taking a "let's make damn sure" approach. It's still early in the year so I hope the aging thing comes easier after the velvet sheds.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: fouzman]
#5932205
09/17/15 12:51 AM
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In my world, there is no such thing as a "management buck". The deer either fits the program or he is a cull. The term "management hunts" came about so landowners could charge more for bigger culls. I charge by the inch. Most landowners who charge for deer do. So the term "management" is moot as you stated in your first sentence. IMO hunters came up with the terms "management" and "cull" to help structure their harvest rules on leases. Which is perfectly understandable.
Last edited by therancher; 09/17/15 12:52 AM.
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: don k]
#5932213
09/17/15 12:55 AM
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive. You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that. Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on. Only inexperienced folks think they can tell a 1 year difference on deer they don't know the history on. You can guess, and be right, but it's still just a guess. Even when it's an educated guess.
Last edited by therancher; 09/17/15 12:56 AM.
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/17/15 01:13 AM
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titan2232
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I've done lots of studying on tooth wear aging. Do you guys find this to be accurate even in a rocky area?
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: titan2232]
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09/17/15 02:37 AM
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therancher
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Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: therancher]
#5932471
09/17/15 02:57 AM
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txshntr
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I can see the practical application of both words "cull" and "management buck." While they are overused, they each have a different meaning to me, but can see where some people will use them interchangeably. A cull is used to describe a deer with less than desirable traits and can be any age. Crab claws, no brow tines, less than eight points, etc would fall in this catagory. A management buck is an older buck that has a "typical" frame, but doesn't amount to anything. Basically, a mature deer that falls below the average antler growth, no matter how many tines he has. Only inexperienced folks think they can tell a 1 year difference on deer they don't know the history on. You can guess, and be right, but it's still just a guess. Even when it's an educated guess.
True, but there are some folks that are pretty accurate on deer they don't know and make a very educated guess. Still just a guess though. Not so true on 1.5, 2.5 and even most 3.5. Typically, these are fairly easy to distinguish.
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Re: Management or Cull
[Re: fouzman]
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09/17/15 04:00 AM
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I believe the term came from ranches that were over populated with bucks. The bucks that are mature but lacking "trophy" status became known as "management" bucks. This comes at the highest level of WT management. I think that most places would do well without worrying about "management" bucks.
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