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Management or Cull #5930743 09/16/15 03:11 AM
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Our lease rules state:

Trophy: 5.5 or older with at least 9 points

Management Buck: 5.5 8 point

Cull Buck: 4.5 with 7 points or fewer

I have never "managed" a deer herd with a group of hunters before so this is all new. Seems there isn't much difference in a management and cull buck?

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Re: Management or Cull [Re: titan2232] #5930769 09/16/15 03:30 AM
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Cull=Bad genetics as in 7pt uneven number of points on sides

Management= Mature buck not meeting the standard as in 5 1/2 yr old 8 pt scoring 120


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I plowed mules.
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I did build a cabin. Aka the brokeback shack.

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Re: Management or Cull [Re: titan2232] #5930779 09/16/15 03:35 AM
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One of the largest bodied bucks seen on the property. I'd take him as a trophy and be perfectly fine with it.






Re: Management or Cull [Re: titan2232] #5930786 09/16/15 03:39 AM
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Trophy is definitely in the eye of the beholder but you have to separate yourself and your opinion from what the lease is capable of. Even though you think a 130 10 point is a trophy a true trophy in the opinion of the ranch owner or lease manager may be 150 10 point. Rules are rules but as long as you end up happy its worth it.


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Re: Management or Cull [Re: titan2232] #5930796 09/16/15 03:46 AM
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are you saying this because of his almost one inch brow making him a 7 and you get three buck tags? grin

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I like just setting an age standard across the board and running with it..

I shoot anything over 4 here. but my trigger finger gets itchy

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Originally Posted By: Navasot
I like just setting an age standard across the board and running with it..

I shoot anything over 4 here. but my trigger finger gets itchy

So does mine. Lol


If you want some friendly advice, get a haircut and take a bath. You wouldn't get hassled so much.


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So what is a 5.5 YO 10 point that scores 106, short stuby tines and 15 inches of spread?

I think those standards/guidelines need some help. Also like you said management and cull may as well be one in the same.


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Does and hogs know just how to ease my trigger finger. rifle


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Re: Management or Cull [Re: titan2232] #5931212 09/16/15 02:19 PM
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Management, mature, maybe going down hill or just don't make the grade or standard set.
Cull, young, could be as young as 2.5 but shows no pontentialto make the minimum goals set for your heard.



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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.

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Originally Posted By: don k
You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.
cheers

Re: Management or Cull [Re: titan2232] #5931313 09/16/15 03:14 PM
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In my world, there is no such thing as a "management buck". The deer either fits the program or he is a cull. The term "management hunts" came about so landowners could charge more for bigger culls.

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Originally Posted By: don k
You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.

You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that.

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Originally Posted By: fouzman
In my world, there is no such thing as a "management buck". The deer either fits the program or he is a cull. The term "management hunts" came about so landowners could charge more for bigger culls.

Yep. Younger deer that don't fit the mold are all in the same group, they need to go. I don't care what we call them, I prefer dead.

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Same thing. He is either or will be a trophy or he isn't. Don't complicate things.


How come everybody I meet is a deer hunting expert?
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Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.

You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that.
Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on.

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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.

You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that.
Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on.

That's hard for anybody and usually a guess on deer that you don't have history with.

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Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.

You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that.
Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on.

That's hard for anybody and usually a guess on deer that you don't have history with.


This is my exact problem right now. I'm seeing a lot of deer that look very old to me, but we have no past history with the animals aside from a few pictures from the previous group, our ranch manager/myself don't have a lot of aging experience, and the ranch manager is taking a "let's make damn sure" approach.

It's still early in the year so I hope the aging thing comes easier after the velvet sheds.



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Originally Posted By: fouzman
In my world, there is no such thing as a "management buck". The deer either fits the program or he is a cull. The term "management hunts" came about so landowners could charge more for bigger culls.


I charge by the inch. Most landowners who charge for deer do. So the term "management" is moot as you stated in your first sentence.

IMO hunters came up with the terms "management" and "cull" to help structure their harvest rules on leases. Which is perfectly understandable.

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Originally Posted By: don k
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You all must be really good at aging to be able to guess a deers age while alive.

You can't tell me that you can't look at your deer and tell the 1 and 2 yr olds from the 4+ yr old bucks. You have way too much experience with animals for me to believe that.
Yes but I can't tell a 4.5 from a 5.5.or a 5.5 from a 6.5 or a 6.5 from a 7.5 and so on.


Only inexperienced folks think they can tell a 1 year difference on deer they don't know the history on. You can guess, and be right, but it's still just a guess. Even when it's an educated guess.

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I've done lots of studying on tooth wear aging. Do you guys find this to be accurate even in a rocky area?



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I can see the practical application of both words "cull" and "management buck." While they are overused, they each have a different meaning to me, but can see where some people will use them interchangeably.

A cull is used to describe a deer with less than desirable traits and can be any age. Crab claws, no brow tines, less than eight points, etc would fall in this catagory.

A management buck is an older buck that has a "typical" frame, but doesn't amount to anything. Basically, a mature deer that falls below the average antler growth, no matter how many tines he has.

Originally Posted By: therancher

Only inexperienced folks think they can tell a 1 year difference on deer they don't know the history on. You can guess, and be right, but it's still just a guess. Even when it's an educated guess.


True, but there are some folks that are pretty accurate on deer they don't know and make a very educated guess. Still just a guess though.

Not so true on 1.5, 2.5 and even most 3.5. Typically, these are fairly easy to distinguish.


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I believe the term came from ranches that were over populated with bucks. The bucks that are mature but lacking "trophy" status became known as "management" bucks. This comes at the highest level of WT management. I think that most places would do well without worrying about "management" bucks.

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