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 Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Ryan F.]
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08/24/15 02:39 PM
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Now since you probably won't get that since you didn't the first time I said it... Excellent sentence structure sir! 
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/24/15 02:58 PM
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My 2 cents. I've had 3 missed opportunities while on my place over the last few months. Last missed opportunity I shot at a lone boar hog with my 30.06 at around a 100 yards. Heard the thud,thump or whatever you want to call it. Hog rolled got up and high tailed it. Tried a follow up shot but didn't connect. Almost 99% sure I hit that guy and I couldn't find a drop of blood. I was shooting 165gr Core-lokts which are marketed as a controlled expansion bullet. 
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/24/15 03:04 PM
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Just thank your lucky stars you had a bolt action or you might have missed.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
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08/24/15 03:24 PM
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Now since you probably won't get that since you didn't the first time I said it... Excellent sentence structure sir! Why thank you!!! It really has nothing to with sentence structure honestly. I understand that often people misinterpret meanings behind what is said on online forums. I really was just trying to clarify what I meant to say. I apologize for being rude. It can be frustrating when people take something I say and twist it around to mean something other than what I meant. Have a good day sir.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: dfwroadkill]
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08/24/15 05:07 PM
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This is just a bolt-action classic... [video:youtube] https://m nbwww.youtube.com/watch?v=yiq8uVMTaBY[/video]  can learn so much on THF... As pappy once said: person with open mind ha a wider point of view ... So your saying if person killed deer year before... Takes rifle cleans & puts up in gun case for a year, some how fifle or scope gonna warp & wont be accurate because it sat up a year Have taken my deer rifle oit after sittin Year or two some even longer, have more than one. It still zeroed in on paper... When archery hunting, always carried arrow with field point that hits same as broad head... It get slow lok around, pic out a leaf & make sure bow & pins didnt get bumped moving ta stand.. one time after doing it heard doe on trail set up on blow after doing that... i blew it that day arrow hit leaf.. And the OP was only 40-50 feet away open sights... & qustion was did he hit, miss & why no blood ... Not an expert, would guess bullet choise, & design... ,, .223 is very small dianitor. Type from what read, is designed not to pass threw, expand... Broad side shot taken, good chance moat blood drained in cavity, & cause of type bullet, fast expanding causes, clotting of bullet enty wound, as some one has suggested... i got cheap posts... Edit: still working on me grammer, hit few wrong keys while typing... My bad... 
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/24/15 07:07 PM
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Hehe! Well, colt...the rifle and ammo may be fine after a year or more sitting. However, the hunter may not be worth squat because he never practices. 
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/24/15 08:31 PM
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I'm not a a big fan of using a .223 on hogs, although plenty of shooters use it and like it. OTOH, as a lightweight rifle to carry when I'm doing something else, I can see that. And naturally, when you see hogs, you shoot what you have.
Well, there was one time when I was out scouting around and had nothing with me but a 9mm pistol. I saw some hogs wandering through the brush and got to within 40 yards of one, but I didn't bother to try taking it with my pistol. Heck, I'm a bad enough shot with a rifle . . .
I've shot at hogs that I was pretty darn sure I'd hit, and had them run to where I couldn't find them. That includes some that I saw go down just like the OP. It happens, even with a .30 cal rifle. I hate it, and it happens less (in my opinion) than with a .223, but it happens.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/26/15 12:04 AM
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/26/15 12:42 AM
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I kill hogs year round trapping and night hunting in cooler weather. I prefer 75 gr. Swift Soracco 2, but end up shooting more hogs with the 55 gr. Vmax because I use that bullet for everything else. I know it's suppose to be a destructive varmint bullet but that hasn't been my experience on hogs. It has been devastating and usually I get full penetration on hogs under 200#. I do not take shots over 200 yards but have taken dozens with this bullet, this year. I think maybe you just had poor bullet placement. Go for the neck shot.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Caliche Kid]
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08/26/15 01:52 AM
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 ta THF Caliche Kid been using 55gr fmj not very good blood trail so close shots taken, usualy moving target, mojority hunting on WMA ... Tried the 55gr hp, got several hundred rounds before prices sky rocketed... Finaly got shot hog didn't know what hit it, still not that big of entry wound... How well do the 55gr Vmax do on blood trail ? OP stated no blood trail, i was thinking since small cal. weather the cheap fmj, hp, witch i've been using. Small entry wound, most blood drains in cavity & clogging... Havent tried the Vmax, some one posted pics of few with head shots... Yet OP was refuring to body shots, the hog went down so thinking he hit it... Heart lung shots i've taken hog ran alittle ways then down... Hogs have thick hair & small entry wound, so very little blood hits ground.. Head shots hog goes down & pools... Running shots even with larger cals, trail can be tough ta follow... Just curious f your experiences with the Vmax...
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/27/15 02:10 AM
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I see plenty of blood and wound is huge but haven't had to track any yet with the 55 gr. Vmax. I have tracked some with .308 using FMJ rounds. I did lose one hog last year with the 75 grain Swift sorricco2 , but I think I completely missed as he didn't show any signs of a hit and I couldn't find any blood. My only excuse is that it was very windy and I rushed my shot. I found him in broad daylight in the open pasture. That'll never happen again, I was surprised, to say the least. I'll need more time to really evaluate these 55 grain V max bullets. Maybe after a hundred hogs I can have some confidence that I gave them a fair shake, but so far they are unexpectedly great. The 75 grain Swifts are GTG. I use the Swifts in a carbine(16") barrel. The 55 grain Vmax are used in a 20" barrelled AR that is my varmint rig so the velocity is a bit higher than I'd expect from the carbine length barrel. I think the .308 is a real hog round compared to the 5.56 and I'll take shots and do ranges I'd not try with the 5.56. I am very careful and selective when hog hunting with a 5.56.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Caliche Kid]
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08/27/15 02:38 AM
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Think maybe 35 yards been farthest i'vr taken with thr .223 55gr fmj & hp... Only once had ta sjoot twice... Hog got up from bed, it was fast shot slowed down hog, second shot put it down... Snow on ground back tracked no blood trail,... Might have ta trade some rounds for the Vmax ssince bigger intry wound... Good info...
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/27/15 04:12 AM
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OP needs to ask the Buzzards, the next day, if the AR and VMax failed him?
We all need to practice Whoa more.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/27/15 05:06 AM
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60gr nosler partition for the win outta the ar. I callem texas hog hammers. Sounds like vmax did damage just not enough.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/27/15 09:02 AM
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Sell that pea shooter get you an AR10 and be done with it! 
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 Re: AR-15 let me down!!
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08/27/15 01:06 PM
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Sell that pea shooter get you an AR10 and be done with it! I like your idea.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/27/15 01:32 PM
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Sell that pea shooter get you an AR1, and be done with it! I like your idea. Or as the experts say practice... As several have mentioned on here... The Vmax .223, .556 55gr will do the job... At 30-40ft & as you said hog did go down, just no sign of hit, could be size of entry wound & clogging of blood ... Any one that has hunted doesnt have ta be an English Major ta realize, just cause no blood, & hog got up & may have done a death run doesn't meen the AR & Vmax didnt do its job... Will agree .223 is small cal. for a wild lf free ranging  hog.... As old saying goes, every one has an opinion.. Mine stinks.... You check for buzzards next day? Some good onfo in thread, have only used the .55gr fmj & hp no complaints yet... Then i'm not an Expert... Edit: trided ta fix few errors, hit wrong keys...
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
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08/27/15 04:29 PM
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The pigs in the pics that I posted were shot with 64 gr. Winchester Razorback ammo but I have also shot them with 55 gr. FMJ, 55 H.P., and 62 gr. Fiocchi S.P. They all worked great but I take head/neck shots only when using the AR. I have shot a 250-300 lb. boar right behind the shoulder with a 110 gr. H.P. handload in a Mosin Nagant and had him get up and run. Chased him through heavy shinnery for three hours and looked for three more hours the next day with no sign of blood anywhere- that was the end of me shooting them anywhere but the head or neck unless I'm using a heavy (150+) bullet meant for large game.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
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08/27/15 06:31 PM
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The pigs in the pics that I posted were shot with 64 gr. Winchester Razorback ammo but I have also shot them with 55 gr. FMJ, 55 H.P., and 62 gr. Fiocchi S.P. They all worked great but I take head/neck shots only when using the AR. I have shot a 250-300 lb. boar right behind the shoulder with a 110 gr. H.P. handload in a Mosin Nagant and had him get up and run. Chased him through heavy shinnery for three hours and looked for three more hours the next day with no sign of blood anywhere- that was the end of me shooting them anywhere but the head or neck unless I'm using a heavy (150+) bullet meant for large game. I got a buddy that shot one with a 30-06 180 grain behind the shoulder and it fell. Got up and ran off. few drops of blood never did find it. Hogs are tough. Head or neck shots for me as well.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/27/15 07:45 PM
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Yesterday I went into the woods to set up my motion camera. Typically when I'm in the woods, but not hunting, I carry my AR15 rifle (5.56/.223) because its easy to carry and holds 30 rounds. So as I'm kneeling down configuring my camera, in relatively open area next to a swampy creek bed, I hear movement in the woods and look up to see a large herd of wild hogs making their way towards me! I quietly switched off the safety on my rifle and took position behind the tree. Looking back I should have waited for more of the herd to come into the open but I was afraid that at any moment they would realize that I was there and run; so when the first of the bigger ones presented itself for a nice shot I took it. The hog I shot was only 40-50 FEET away and I saw it drop; so I took aim off of him and looked for a secondary target. As I moved my attention away from the hog I shot it got up and made a mad dash for cover along with the rest of the herd. To my dismay I could not find any blood trail to follow. So thinking that I had managed to miss my mark I got in my truck and left very disappointed. From there I went to my dads house and set up a target to see if my rifle is shooting true. Sure enough my rifle is shooting right on (iron sights). Not trying to brag but I do shoot a lot and am quite proficient will all of my weapons. So that bring me to the conclusion that it is very unlikely that I missed, so the .223 must not have done its job. My gun is loaded with Hornady 55grain V-Max...so at only 40 or 50 feet away it must have zipped right through without expanding (why no blood?) or it penetrated but did not exit. I've killed one hog before with the AR-15 but it took three shots with FMJ ammo. Recently I use the VMax stuff because I never know what I'll encounter and I want to inflict as much damage as possible. Yesterday I ALMOST took out the Mosin Nagant instead...if only. [color:#3333FF] So what yall say. Did my bullet: Miss? Clean pass? Fail to exit? [color :#3333FF] from what read in your post: shot was body shot, 40-50ft away.. Hog went down using 55gr Vmax... i'd have ta go with the experts, get a bigger gun... been lucky with my .223.. Have had lot of practice with the .556 203 & M-60...
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/28/15 05:25 PM
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Barnes tsx in 223 leave a bigger hole then FMJ. When I want to get meat I use the 62gr tsx, for eradicating I use FM or soft points.
The fat layer on the hog will stop small holes from bleeding externally.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
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08/29/15 02:40 AM
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Barnes tsx in 223 leave a bigger hole then FMJ. When I want to get meat I use the 62gr tsx, for eradicating I use FM or soft points.
The fat layer on the hog will stop small holes from bleeding externally.  for awhile wasn't sure if i knew what i was talking about... Had bought the .223 cheep 55gr fmj for plinking & ta see how they would do at WMA.. Kept shots close for that reason... Heart & lung is bigger target when hog is moving... Only once have i had ta do follow up shot... Found some cheap 55 gr hp, before the big scare & people went crazy buying every thing off shelves, causing supply & demand ta go up... Last hog took was using 55gr hp... It went down, twitched few times... Never used the Vmax, way it sounded in op he hit hog, just no blood trail, hog got up, might have done death run, it happens with deer.... Been lucky with the 55 gr fmj & hp ... Just got done  en some backstaps & now i'm chillen...
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/29/15 05:46 AM
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I am heading out tomorrow to ranger creek ranch for some night hog hunting.
Will be using some soft points, 62 gr, didn't have any Barnes loaded. Will try for neck or head shots with the PSP 62gr.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
[Re: Nivlac]
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08/29/15 07:08 PM
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Well I've been thinking about it. YES, there are better ammo choices in .223 than what I used. AGAIN...I do not "hunt" with my AR; its just what I would sling over my shoulder for a walk in the woods. But...I do own a bigger/harder hitting rifle that has open iron sights and would perform better than .223/5.56; so why not use that instead. I'm talking about my Mosin Nagant...it was made for killin so I might as well put it to good use LOL. Also, for very little investment, I could also get a lever gun such as a 45-70 that would be a LOT more effective for those thick woods encounters. From this point onward my AR-15 is just going to be a fun paper puncher.
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Re: AR-15 let me down!!
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09/01/15 11:26 PM
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I use my ar15 for hogs, just have to have head or neck shots for DRT. Just wacked 2 Saturday night, 180lb'r and a 100lb'r. Got them in an ice chest with ice draining the blood out of the meat. Head shots waste no meat 
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