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Dealing with people on lease
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08/27/15 09:54 PM
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hookemhorns
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We have a great lease but seems there is always 1 guy on every lease I have ever been on that seems a little more "difficult" than everyone one else to deal with. Here is the situation.
Last year this guy "Joe" shot a 3.5 yr old 8 point that had 9" brow tines. Several people had pics of him, I even drew on him just to see if I could, but everyone agreed he was off limits. Joe shot him anyway. Then this year Joe decides to move locations and take a spot that was vacant from a guy who left our lease. But he doesnt just go to that spot or even spread out to make it better for all, he moves 450 yards closer to my stand. With the number of acres and number of hunters it wasnt necessary.
I told the guy who runs the lease about it and Joe was told to move to the the spot that was vacant but of course he is pissed. Me and Joe already had it out lsat year about the buck he shot. I know some people will say shoot whatever makes you happy but this isnt the kind of lease we have and it has always been clearly communicated what we want to shoot.
How do you deal with guys like this on your lease?
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/27/15 10:04 PM
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Easiest thing, lease rules should all be in writing and all agreed to via signature on the document, with stiff penalties up to and including 'see ya later but not around here'. You have a lease manager, if rules are broken just hand it over to him to handle, like you did with the new stand location.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/27/15 10:06 PM
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soonersorlaters
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Put expectations in the lease agreement and make sure you have someone in charge that is willing to enforce them.
That buck you described would get you a minimum $1,000 fine or booted from our lease. And it's written as such into the agreement.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: soonersorlaters]
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08/27/15 10:30 PM
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tlk
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All of above - well written, SIGNED set of rules by each member - knowingly breaking the rule? You are gone. Honest mistake? That happens.
PS: I predict this to be a very long thread
Last edited by tlk; 08/27/15 10:31 PM.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/27/15 11:08 PM
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stxranchman
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Who ever is in charge of the lease should set the ground rules. Everyone needs to agree and sign off on them.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/27/15 11:12 PM
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Who ever is in charge of the lease should set the ground rules. Everyone needs to agree and sign off on them. ^ This. We had a similar situation. He got the boot.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/27/15 11:12 PM
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Hit him in the Head with a Steak...
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: SniperRAB]
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08/27/15 11:14 PM
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stxranchman
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Hit him in the Head with a Steak...
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/27/15 11:16 PM
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SniperRAB
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Hit him in the Head with a Steak... It worked He's never popped off again
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/27/15 11:17 PM
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Who ever is in charge of the lease should set the ground rules. Everyone needs to agree and sign off on them. ^^^
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: SniperRAB]
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08/27/15 11:17 PM
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stxranchman
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Hit him in the Head with a Steak... It worked He's never popped off again Or ram his deer blind with a Jeep
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/27/15 11:19 PM
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/27/15 11:24 PM
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stxranchman
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/27/15 11:46 PM
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don k
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Hit him in the Head with a Steak... It worked He's never popped off again Or ram his deer blind with a Jeep I know what I would do. Sometimes a person has to do things that some may think are over the line. Me, I am old school. I don't tell or ask others what they think should be done. I just do it and keep my mouth shut.I have had trouble with hunters on my land and and on neighbors bordering me. When I did what needed to be done I no longer had any problem. Asking others what needs to be done with a problem usually results in the problem still there. Everyone you ask has a different opinion on what to do. You know what needs to be done. Do it.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: don k]
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08/28/15 12:30 AM
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tlk
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I have learned that if someone starts out on a lease as a problem then it will not get better - it will only go downhill as you move forward - cut your losses
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 12:59 AM
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titan2232
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Just curious if "Joe" shot the big brow 8 point knowing it was him or if he thinks it was a different deer? He should be booted off if he shot the deer while knowing all along it was a "non-shooter".
Good leases are hard to come by and everyone including the lease manager should be held accountable. We just got on a new place that has some rules that I'm not certain ALL our owners are going to follow.
We have shared enough game pics with one another for everyone to know what can be shot and a baseline for new deer coming through the property.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 01:05 AM
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I would quit deer hunting if I had all of the rules some of you do on your deer lease.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: scalebuster]
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08/28/15 01:08 AM
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I would quit deer hunting if I had all of the rules some of you do on your deer lease. Mature deer (5.5 yrs) and NO axis. It's not hard for me, but I have yet to decide on a few others.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 04:01 AM
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I shot the same buck last season, except his brows were more like 5". He was doggin' a doe and I had a little premature 'eraculation'. Sometimes it happens. If I was on a lease it would have probably gone bad. Beautiful buck. My brother wasn't real happy. Oh well, it's a new season. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Last edited by Erathkid; 08/28/15 04:02 AM.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 04:09 AM
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Shotgun Willie
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We booted our problem child off the lease 2 years ago. The current members absorbed the extra cost of the vacant spot, and the place is the best it's ever been.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 12:12 PM
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
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08/28/15 12:53 PM
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We booted our problem child off the lease 2 years ago. The current members absorbed the extra cost of the vacant spot, and the place is the best it's ever been. We did the same thing, it is a great lease now. I even kept my spot after I got my own place to hunt. It is great to have hard working people with the same goals and good attitudes on a lease. If you don't want to absorb the cost, finding another leaser is not a problem.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: don k]
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08/28/15 01:20 PM
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Me, I am old school. I don't tell or ask others what they think should be done. I just do it and keep my mouth shut.I have had trouble with hunters on my land and and on neighbors bordering me. When I did what needed to be done I no longer had any problem. Asking others what needs to be done with a problem usually results in the problem still there. Everyone you ask has a different opinion on what to do. You know what needs to be done. Do it. [/quote]
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 01:32 PM
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I'm guessing you don't have written rules?? I'm also guessing that when "everyone agreed" not to shoot that Buck , that "Joe" was not part of everyone?? Im lucky to have hunted two different family tracks of land for the last 25 yrs. One was sold about 10 yrs back. I was bringing friends and then insisted on us paying just to make my guys have a stake in the deal, but we are hunting dirt cheep. We have simple rules , that are not written either. 1 Don't piss off the Owners! 2 Do your share of the work 3 Kids can kill any legal deer 4 Adults must Shoulder Mount any Buck they shoot, or be verbally shamed by others 5 Don't piss of the Owners! To be honest in all the years , we have never put a "Don't shoot" mark on a buck. Back when we hunted my step dads place in Hardeman , I took pics of a nice 8 that I was not going to shoot , but my buddy got all excited to shoot it because it would have been his best ever. I wasn't going to stop him. He never got it , but was happy to have the chance. I don't post much but read often here. I know Im lucky not to have to hunt with strangers and have a contract that looks more like the deep sea scroll. Its great to hunt with the same life long friends for so long and just let commonsense rule
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: jjason]
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08/28/15 02:09 PM
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I'm guessing you don't have written rules?? I'm also guessing that when "everyone agreed" not to shoot that Buck , that "Joe" was not part of everyone?? Im lucky to have hunted two different family tracks of land for the last 25 yrs. One was sold about 10 yrs back. I was bringing friends and then insisted on us paying just to make my guys have a stake in the deal, but we are hunting dirt cheep. We have simple rules , that are not written either. 1 Don't piss off the Owners! 2 Do your share of the work 3 Kids can kill any legal deer 4 Adults must Shoulder Mount any Buck they shoot, or be verbally shamed by others 5 Don't piss of the Owners! To be honest in all the years , we have never put a "Don't shoot" mark on a buck. Back when we hunted my step dads place in Hardeman , I took pics of a nice 8 that I was not going to shoot , but my buddy got all excited to shoot it because it would have been his best ever. I wasn't going to stop him. He never got it , but was happy to have the chance. I don't post much but read often here. I know Im lucky not to have to hunt with strangers and have a contract that looks more like the deep sea scroll. Its great to hunt with the same life long friends for so long and just let commonsense rule Like your style buddy and couldn't agree more!
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