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Thoughts and opinions #5582038 02/04/15 05:38 PM
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Ive been hunting predators, varmints all my life. It seems in the last 2 or 3 years everyone and their brother is now a "predator" hunter. What ive found is that a lot of beginners are getting out and trying their hand at it. New virgin hunting spots are getting harder and hard to find. Ive also found the places these guys are hunting have animals that have been very educated. Anyone else out there running into the same problems? Just curious.


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I was seeing that even in the late 80's-90's


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Same with hog hunting. Reason got on first lease. 24-7-365. After deer season, went to lease with slinger find were hogs tearing it up. sit & wait with flash light off. Hog hunten the other wild game. Its realy evolved from back then. OSBWMA was some of the best hog hunting around. Price of hamburger at store is $30.00 for 10# flag



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I agree... i find it frustrating. I was lucky enough to have someone show me the ropes before i started acquiring land to hunt.To repay the knowledge that he gave me i will take him on a few hunts a year. Now it seems people who have been around the game for a certain amount of years are losing land to newbies that have no clue what they are doing. Animals become educated and much harder to kill, but this can also set apart the newbies from guys that know what they are doing. Ranchers and farmers do pickup on those type of things.


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Well, I guess everybody has to start somewheres? You guys didn't know what you were doing when you first started and now you want to bash others for trying it too, sounds hypocrite? I'm sick of deer hunting and I want to try something new and varmint hunting it will be. Will I scare off animals accidentally, yep! Will I educate a few, yep! Will I kill a few, yep! But don't worry guys, I won't mess up "your" hunting spots because my family has had land passed down over the generations.

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I didnt know anyone was bashing anyone???


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Good luck "grout-scout" we all wish u the best predator hunting possible on your families land passed down from the conquistadors. Happy hunting friend


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i invite people ta hog hunt. My hunting stinks, i tend ta fart alot. i started out in the dark. Litterly. flag



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Originally Posted By: dogdown23
Good luck "grout-scout" we all wish u the best predator hunting possible on your families land passed down from the conquistadors. Happy hunting friend



rolleyes you are complaining about others wanting to take up your hobby, right? How could someone not be offended by what you wrote? Did I translate what you wrote incorrectly?

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Amigo is asking a question complaining? Or are u just assuming?? I believe I'll take some advice from nastynate ^ life is to short to drink cheap booze and argue with stupid people. Good hunting pilgrim.


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Originally Posted By: dogdown23
Amigo is asking a question complaining? Or are u just assuming?? I believe I'll take some advice from nastynate ^ life is to short to drink cheap booze and argue with stupid people. Good hunting pilgrim.



So you find calling people names is civil, huh? What is the title of your thread smart guy? Ah, that's right you were asking for "thoughts & opinions", you gave yours and I gave you mine. I assure you that you aren't quite as smart as you find yourself to be, Pilgrim.


I just wanted to make sure that you knew that I would not be "educating" YOUR virgin hunting spots. You know because you are the one that started the whole predator calling movement. wink

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I'll take the high road my friend, again good luck and happy hunting


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Nope, not seeing it where I am. I like the fact that when the neighboring properties start getting hit, it flushes animals to where I hunt.

Virgin hunting spots? Dude, there hasn't been a virgin hunting spot in Texas for at least a century and maybe a lot longer than that.

Anybody else ever noticed how "educated" animals seem to get smarter faster than the hunters do?


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Originally Posted By: grout-scout
Well, I guess everybody has to start somewheres? You guys didn't know what you were doing when you first started and now you want to bash others for trying it too, sounds hypocrite? I'm sick of deer hunting and I want to try something new and varmint hunting it will be. Will I scare off animals accidentally, yep! Will I educate a few, yep! Will I kill a few, yep! But don't worry guys, I won't mess up "your" hunting spots because my family has had land passed down over the generations.


I don't know where you came up with this? I re-read the OP and didn't see anywhere that you where addressed? You interjected yourself in that level, why would you do that? You caused issue, where there was none. confused2

OP is largely correct, but it really started when electronic calls became available, folks would buy one and head to the woods with "0" thought as how to effectively use it. This was even before the internet was "online". I had a neighbor that hired me to remove coyotes in the early nineties, well his son bought a caller, so he told me they would take care of it from then on. 1 year passed and he called and asked if I could "take over" again. They had killed 1 yote and 2 fox all year he said and tried maybe 30 times....on 200 acres! I ended up trapping 12 over 8-9 months off his small place, had to use traps and snares.

The point is to get as "educated" yourself, before giving the yotes an education. I see you started a thread asking for advice, which I added too in a small way as well. That is the smart way to go about it, learn from others that have learned from trial and error. No one has all the answers, but there is a "norm" approach to calling and trapping. It is just tips and tricks that make the difference on some varmints. Young "dumb" ones are easy and what most end up getting most of the time.

I was fortunate to have 2 mentors and still managed to make many a "smart" coyote.

Unless you are called out by name, I would try to avoid taking a post personally, not worth the mental endeavor

Of coarse, this is my opinion, you guys may have a "history" IDK.


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Western, thanks and I understand it looks bad. I don't know if his post was to address the few "newbie" post on the forum or if he was truly asking a question. There are many people in this world that feel entitled and yes I took it personal because it appears he is looking down on the newbies trying to learn. But we all have to start somewheres and yes, he didn't call me out in particular, he did call out ALL wanna be varmint hunters (and their brothers). Not everybody had/has mentors to teach them, sometimes you have to learn by screwing up a few times. So what's a person to do? Stay home or get out and try to learn something new, I will not sit at home on the couch because I might screw up someone else hunting.

Also, I appreciate the tips on my post and I think I will disregard post like his in the future.

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Looks like the OP was complaining about new folks getting into it and messing up his hunting, looking for folks to dogpile and agree with him.... someone didn't and he got upset.

I don't fancy myself a varmint hunter, but predator control... or "attempted" predator control is part of our management plan. I called twice this year and ran some jaw traps and so far we have killed 2 yotes, one on a gut pile late morning close to camp, just by chance incident and the other from a deer blind on a morning hunt. So we are giving calling/trapping more effort now because we need to get a few more.


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Whoa back up. I didnt call out anyone. I simply asked if anyone was running into some of the things ive encountered the last few years. I didnt bash or bad mouth anyone. Man this seems to be a sensitive subject for you. I tell you what your more than welcome to come to central texas and I'll take you on a day and night hunt.


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Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Nope, not seeing it where I am. I like the fact that when the neighboring properties start getting hit, it flushes animals to where I hunt.

Virgin hunting spots? Dude, there hasn't been a virgin hunting spot in Texas for at least a century and maybe a lot longer than that.

Anybody else ever noticed how "educated" animals seem to get smarter faster than the hunters do?

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Moderators may want to move this over to the trash talking thread.


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Go back and objectively read your post. If you can do that you will understand.


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I did, and I see nothing wrong with what I stated or asked. Keep the thoughts and opinions coming.


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Well, the OP had a point and it is valid in many, but not all cases. I have seen guy's out on a property, sitting in the back of a P/U drinking beer, laughing and all the while have their foxpro going, every once and awhile they will scan with a light, this was a neighboring place.

There is also many that do their best to learn and do it the best they can and in a way to increase the odds. The issue i think the OP is trying to say, it is harder for those that seriously try, when some jackwagon went out because the bars where closed and had a similar party in their truck. An opinion the OP obviously has experienced as have I. Nothing more, nothing less.

may just be the way I chose to understand the topic IDK.


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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Looks like the OP was complaining about new folks getting into it and messing up his hunting, looking for folks to dogpile and agree with him.... someone didn't and he got upset.

I don't fancy myself a varmint hunter, but predator control... or "attempted" predator control is part of our management plan. I called twice this year and ran some jaw traps and so far we have killed 2 yotes, one on a gut pile late morning close to camp, just by chance incident and the other from a deer blind on a morning hunt. So we are giving calling/trapping more effort now because we need to get a few more.


RC, I don't think he wanted folks to "pile on" just stated what he has observed, but I have been wrong many a time, just the way I took it.

BTW, have you tried snares? They are true work horse for control once you learn how/where to use them. I also agree with your assesment of "varmint hunter vs Management". When you have more on the line than the "fun", it gets a bit more serious. Even though it's fun as hell grin


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Originally Posted By: Western
Well, the OP had a point and it is valid in many, but not all cases. I have seen guy's out on a property, sitting in the back of a P/U drinking beer, laughing and all the while have their foxpro going, every once and awhile they will scan with a light, this was a neighboring place.

There is also many that do their best to learn and do it the best they can and in a way to increase the odds. The issue i think the OP is trying to say, it is harder for those that seriously try, when some jackwagon went out because the bars where closed and had a similar party in their truck. An opinion the OP obviously has experienced as have I. Nothing more, nothing less.

may just be the way I chose to understand the topic IDK.


confused2 That's not a good way to varmint hunt? Done that plenty of times and almost won a competition doing this exact thing banana

I can see where the OP can be read to be offensive and shines a negative light on the new hunters that are just getting into hunting. I don't think he meant it that way and was making a point that some places, it is getting difficult to varmint hunt because the animals are being educated to calls and certain style of sets.

Lets let that argument rest since it has been brought up and the OP has addressed it cheers


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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Looks like the OP was complaining about new folks getting into it and messing up his hunting, looking for folks to dogpile and agree with him.... someone didn't and he got upset.


It came across as arrogant to me as well

maybe he didn't mean it but came off that way

he should have said

" I have not been very successful varmint hunting lately, they've gotten smarter, anyone else having the same problem ?"

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