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B&C Scoring of Captive Deer #5482464 12/17/14 03:37 AM
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The Boone and Crockett Club states that it does not approve of using their scoring system for captive deer:

http://www.boone-crockett.org/news/featured_story.asp?area=news&ID=236

As it should be.

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5482489 12/17/14 03:48 AM
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SCI does it i think

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5482495 12/17/14 03:53 AM
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Not sure why they could just say that the animals couldn't be entered. I think that any club should be able to accept or deny any entry they want to keep in line with their beliefs and history.

Wonder if B&C has a patent or copyright on their scoring system?


Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5482528 12/17/14 04:11 AM
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I have no problem with their stance on free range.

However what I disagree with is when they state:

The Club's records program was established in 1906 as a way of detailing species once thought headed for extinction. Today, the B&C scoring system is used to collect data on free-ranging big game. These data reflect successful conservation efforts, population health and habitat quality. Biologists compare and contrast records to improve local management strategies as well as state and federal wildlife policies.

In my opinion:

Any animal making the B&C record book is that special 1 in a million free range animal. My concerns have always been. How can data collected from such a small portion of a particular species be used to improve management strategies confused2

I believe the B&C minimums are to high to be used as any form of free range management strategy. It is like trying to manage a 4 leaf clover.


O'well you know what they say about opinions.

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: SheepHunter] #5482784 12/17/14 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: SheepHunter
I have no problem with their stance on free range.

However what I disagree with is when they state:

The Club's records program was established in 1906 as a way of detailing species once thought headed for extinction. Today, the B&C scoring system is used to collect data on free-ranging big game. These data reflect successful conservation efforts, population health and habitat quality. Biologists compare and contrast records to improve local management strategies as well as state and federal wildlife policies.

In my opinion:

Any animal making the B&C record book is that special 1 in a million free range animal. My concerns have always been. How can data collected from such a small portion of a particular species be used to improve management strategies confused2

I believe the B&C minimums are to high to be used as any form of free range management strategy. It is like trying to manage a 4 leaf clover.


O'well you know what they say about opinions.




It's no management strategy, but if you look at the stats over the years, you can easily see the increase of trophies entered in modern times, say, the last 20 years, and extrapolate some indication of the improvement (or lack) in conservation/management.

The Club irks me sometimes with their holier than thou stance on many topics within the hunting community, which I think are more divisive than helpful for our way of life.

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5482899 12/17/14 01:58 PM
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great move boone and crocket... an even more solidified elitist stance towards and already threatened pastime for americans.

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: kyle1974] #5482924 12/17/14 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: kyle1974
great move boone and crocket... an even more solidified elitist stance towards and already threatened pastime for americans.


They could care less about our private property rights.

We need to becareful what we support

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: BOBO the Clown] #5483259 12/17/14 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: kry226
Originally Posted By: SheepHunter
I have no problem with their stance on free range.

However what I disagree with is when they state:

The Club's records program was established in 1906 as a way of detailing species once thought headed for extinction. Today, the B&C scoring system is used to collect data on free-ranging big game. These data reflect successful conservation efforts, population health and habitat quality. Biologists compare and contrast records to improve local management strategies as well as state and federal wildlife policies.

In my opinion:

Any animal making the B&C record book is that special 1 in a million free range animal. My concerns have always been. How can data collected from such a small portion of a particular species be used to improve management strategies confused2

I believe the B&C minimums are to high to be used as any form of free range management strategy. It is like trying to manage a 4 leaf clover.


O'well you know what they say about opinions.




It's no management strategy, but if you look at the stats over the years, you can easily see the increase of trophies entered in modern times, say, the last 20 years, and extrapolate some indication of the improvement (or lack) in conservation/management.

The Club irks me sometimes with their holier than thou stance on many topics within the hunting community, which I think are more divisive than helpful for our way of life.


A result of TDM principles and research brought to light by the ones they despise....oh the irony

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5483320 12/17/14 04:25 PM
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Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5483897 12/17/14 08:40 PM
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Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5484297 12/18/14 12:10 AM
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I better look in the cupboard for some corn. This may have some legs.

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FYBC!!!

there. I said it.

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I better look in the cupboard for some corn. This may have some legs.

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Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5484791 12/18/14 03:48 AM
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So educate me on the hate for B&C.

I am not now, nor ever have been, a member and honestly do not know the back story.

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Is there a difference in the way they score deer for SCI and for B&C?

Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: FordEvangelist] #5484982 12/18/14 05:24 AM
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First from a legal perspective unless it is trademarked or has a utility patent they don't have a leg to stand on. No I'm not a lawyer but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn at some point in my life.
Second I don't have problem with their position, they are focused on free ranging animals and are all about the habitat required for them to survive and maximize their potential. They don't recognize genetically select bred animals or fenced in animals in their trophy award recognition. So what. It's their club and their prerogative.
Is a trophy more impressive if it comes from a place that the animals can truly come and go as they so desire as opposed to even a HF with 10's of 1000's of acres. It is to me but that's my point of view you are entitled to yours.
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Re: B&C Scoring of Captive Deer [Re: schmellba99] #5485076 12/18/14 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: schmellba99
So educate me on the hate for B&C.

I am not now, nor ever have been, a member and honestly do not know the back story.


No real hate here, just wish the club took different directions at times. Used to be a member, which is required to enter a deer in the books, but let it lapse after that. Received a quarterly magazine, which is not about hunting per se, but about hard core conservation (most articles were written by or about scientists and their studies it seemed), and about pimping The Club and selling their books.

On the Book of Faces, all they ever share is rednecks doing dumb stuff in the woods which many will say represents us all. Lately, they've been on a crusade to rid the world of long range hunting.

They have their place and do some great things for conservation I'm sure, but in my eye, the stands they make on certain issues divide the hunting community more than they unite it.

On topic, they can do whatever they want with their scoring system. But these days, no one really cares what an animal "nets" anyway.

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it's their club and their rules, the problem is rather than choose a methodology to unite hunters, they are choosing to further draw lines in the sand on the basis of pure snobbish elitism.

The (alleged) reason their club was founded was for wild game conservation. They proclaim to be for scientific management techniques, but when someone throws a fence up to actually see the validity of their program, and can manage their land better, B&C sticks their nose up at them.
Not only do they not allow the animals in the book, they are going on a campaign fighting against "captive" animals. Stating that "captivity" is any high fence ranch. 30 acres, or 30,000 acres, they claim it's "captive".

Perhaps in 1900 when the US population was roughly 1/6 of what it is today, access to "free range" animals was a little easier for hunters. B&C has refused to change their tune and address any issues with land access issues for normal people, and are only turning their scoring system into an even more eltist system year by year as land access prices increase along with the population and growth of towns and cities.

F 'em, and feed 'em fish heads...

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Interesting views here.

Carry on...


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I happen to agree with their stance. That being said, I can tell you that at least one of the recent presidents of the organization owns a high fence ranch.

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Sheesh...


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Sheesh...




Pioneers in conservative????

B&C basically stood side by side with Priscilla Feral on the Scimitar Oryx.. Great conservative!!!

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Originally Posted By: kyle1974
it's their club and their rules, the problem is rather than choose a methodology to unite hunters, they are choosing to further draw lines in the sand on the basis of pure snobbish elitism.

The (alleged) reason their club was founded was for wild game conservation. They proclaim to be for scientific management techniques, but when someone throws a fence up to actually see the validity of their program, and can manage their land better, B&C sticks their nose up at them.
Not only do they not allow the animals in the book, they are going on a campaign fighting against "captive" animals. Stating that "captivity" is any high fence ranch. 30 acres, or 30,000 acres, they claim it's "captive".

Perhaps in 1900 when the US population was roughly 1/6 of what it is today, access to "free range" animals was a little easier for hunters. B&C has refused to change their tune and address any issues with land access issues for normal people, and are only turning their scoring system into an even more eltist system year by year as land access prices increase along with the population and growth of towns and cities.

F 'em, and feed 'em fish heads...


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