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banning lead shot altogether? #5454570 12/02/14 11:27 PM
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is that what TPWD is beating around the bush?

TPWD Study

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They arent beating around
around the bush. Shooting steel at doves is no doubt around the corner.


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Re: banning lead shot altogether? [Re: aquaholic1822] #5455898 12/03/14 04:39 PM
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And thats what I read to and I aint happy

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I too am against the potential lead ban. Comes a point it is just silly.

That being said...steel 6's and 7's worked great on dove during early teal, and Wally World had 'em on sale! It was shell for shell cheaper than the 100rd lead bulk boxes! Once the split opens back up it'll be all steel again just to keep the duck option open.



Re: banning lead shot altogether? [Re: aquaholic1822] #5456113 12/03/14 06:09 PM
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Worthless research

Re: banning lead shot altogether? [Re: aquaholic1822] #5456142 12/03/14 06:21 PM
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ill still shoot birds either way... long as I still get lead buckshot

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I can see the point. I don't want to think about how much lead is put on a good dove field by a bunch of hunters each weekend. Let alone each year, and after 10 years, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that's a lot of lead out there...


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It won't keep me from shooting birds

Re: banning lead shot altogether? [Re: aquaholic1822] #5456176 12/03/14 06:32 PM
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You watch how high shells gonna be And another thing is a lot of the problem is we are running short on lead here in the US China what heard has been buying it up

Re: banning lead shot altogether? [Re: aquaholic1822] #5456359 12/03/14 07:49 PM
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I will not fight it. I csn only imagine how much lead we have spread out there. I was apposed to the waterfowl lead ban. The tech has changed so much i know how deadly steel is now days. In a way i hope they make the change.


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Until they can actually put science and statistics behind their studies, I take exception to it.

And this study only stated the obvious - that using either larger steel shot or comparable sized shot moving faster than their control load will kill doves. Well, no kidding - that's physics at work.

The hazardous effects of lead in the environment are way, way, way overrated. And if this passes, there will be a several year long shortage on shells while manufacturers have to retool from lead shot to steel shot. And the prices will go up, because they always do when legislative changes are forced on an industry.

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A little late to the thread, but I just stumbled across this article in the Houston Chronicle about the study in the original post.

http://www.chron.com/sports/outdoors/article/State-of-dove-hunting-in-midst-of-change-5955811.php


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Reloading Non-tox is a PIA but if the laws change I'll just have to get good at it. I just don't like shooting steel through my twice barrels and the exotic stuff is over a $150 for like 10 LBS of shot. For you non-reloaders non-tox is lighter than lead so it has to be weighed in like the powder


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Originally Posted By: Barny Topwater
Reloading Non-tox is a PIA but if the laws change I'll just have to get good at it. I just don't like shooting steel through my twice barrels and the exotic stuff is over a $150 for like 10 LBS of shot. For you non-reloaders non-tox is lighter than lead so it has to be weighed in like the powder


I've loaded steel for a few years.

Load the first by weight. Count the pellets.

Used an empty centerfire primer container, with the appropriate number of holes taped off, to scoop out shot. Much faster than weighing anything.

Steel 6's kill dove with authority.

I prefer lead to all other, but do believe the tree hugging hippies will win this one in the end.

Crane hunting without Lead will be a PITA. The extra large steel is a bear to get a pattern out of

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Stupid.

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What the #3!! am I to do with my my old shotguns that are pure bird killers? Those barrels are not made to use steel! This is NOT a "good" thing. It is just one more way the govt is taking control of citizens lives,and making shooting sports more of a "white collar" sport!



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What the #3!! am I to do with my my old shotguns that are pure bird killers? Those barrels are not made to use steel! This is NOT a "good" thing. It is just one more way the govt is taking control of citizens lives,and making shooting sports more of a "white collar" sport!

Tungsten iron. Kent Matrix is an example. Or buy a new shotgun that can handle steel.
I want FWBangers shotgun

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Do not want to replace guns that are not broke! Finding reasonable priced 16ga ammo will be impossible. Lead upland/dove hunting loads are not the big environmental issue that the state needs to address! Spend resources on the water problem first!



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That's great. Just great.

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I can see the point. I don't want to think about how much lead is put on a good dove field by a bunch of hunters each weekend. Let alone each year, and after 10 years, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that's a lot of lead out there...


Where does lead come from? How heavy is lead compared to dirt or sand? What are the Chances that lead ends up deeper then 12" on any loose soil feild aka plowed feild?

I for one think it should be up to the individual to manage their personal property and land as they see fit.

We are talking about shot pellets that aren't going any where but down deeper in the soil the same place it came from...not DDT





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Do not want to replace guns that are not broke! Finding reasonable priced 16ga ammo will be impossible. Lead upland/dove hunting loads are not the big environmental issue that the state needs to address! Spend resources on the water problem first!

Nope!! That's why I reload, I can make 16 gauge anything I want. Of course my Jap-Krap Browning can handle steel


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There was never any good science behind the waterfowl ban either.


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Originally Posted By: Barny Topwater
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Do not want to replace guns that are not broke! Finding reasonable priced 16ga ammo will be impossible. Lead upland/dove hunting loads are not the big environmental issue that the state needs to address! Spend resources on the water problem first!

Nope!! That's why I reload, I can make 16 gauge anything I want. Of course my Jap-Krap Browning can handle steel
I have two that I can shoot steel through, but what about my older than me classics. I too reload, but to this point no credible scientific study has shown a perceptible negative impact on wildlife due to dove or upland hunting with lead. I am waiting on this and hoping Texas lawmakers are waiting on good science and not on emotional scare tactics.



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I can see the point. I don't want to think about how much lead is put on a good dove field by a bunch of hunters each weekend. Let alone each year, and after 10 years, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that's a lot of lead out there...


Where does lead come from? How heavy is lead compared to dirt or sand? What are the Chances that lead ends up deeper then 12" on any loose soil feild aka plowed feild?

I for one think it should be up to the individual to manage their personal property and land as they see fit.

We are talking about shot pellets that aren't going any where but down deeper in the soil the same place it came from...not DDT

I don't think the actual pellet is the problem. The problem would be the constant erosion of milliions of pellets spread about the land. Tiny minute particulat from one pellet, not a big deal. What is particulate matter from trillions of BBs doing to the water table ect. is the true question. I don't know, you don't, nobody knows. If they do true and acurate studies then I am good for whatever. If this becomes a political barter chip then I am against it.






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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
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I can see the point. I don't want to think about how much lead is put on a good dove field by a bunch of hunters each weekend. Let alone each year, and after 10 years, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that's a lot of lead out there...


Where does lead come from? How heavy is lead compared to dirt or sand? What are the Chances that lead ends up deeper then 12" on any loose soil feild aka plowed feild?

I for one think it should be up to the individual to manage their personal property and land as they see fit.

We are talking about shot pellets that aren't going any where but down deeper in the soil the same place it came from...not DDT






Good questions, and I have no clue.

I agree, a land manager should manage their own land however they see fit. Provided it is not affecting others, and the public's resources and wildlife.

As for "proven scientific studies" there are enough studies out there to make someone dizzy on effects of lead poisoning at trophic levels (animal gets shot...not recovered...Said animal gets ate, and the predator/scavenger now has lead poisoning), direct levels (animal survives a wound, but suffers lead poisoning), and ingested lead leading to lead poisoning.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm still shooting lead at dove and skeet. I'm just saying there is enough "ammo" out there to make a decision of it being illegal years ago.


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