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Looking for a Duck Dog! #5440922 11/24/14 08:47 PM
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I have raised and trained three "backyard" labs that were great companions but not very solid hunting dogs. im ready to spend the extra money to get a good pup and perhaps get it professionally trained. But i am also contemplating training it myself. i duck hunt every chance I get but average 4 days a week so i need a pup with tons of energy. Do any of you guys know of a good breeder around college station who is known for hunting labs and perhaps not the field trial breed. My dad just bought a lab with a narley field trial pedigree and it was the most uncontrollable wild dog weve ever had. Any advice is appreciated.

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I was going to say get field trial blood for the energy you say you want until I read your last line. Lol

I really don't think it being uncontrollable had anything to do with that though but could be wrong.

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wild wasnt perhaps the right word, I just need to learn how to make them have a more calm temperament, my dad worked that dog everyday and he still would be real whiny and fidgety in the blind and would try to take off. im not truly opposed to a field trial dog, their energy level is perfect for what I want. I just didnt know if someone knew of a good specific hunting kennel.

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Tiogas retrievers is my recommendation but not sure if they have pups coming soon.

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Sounds more like bad temperament than energy.


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I'll take a Black Female every time.

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Where is your dad's out of?

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I've got a couple of started dogs you can hunt this season if you'd like to go that route.


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So you want a dog with tons of drive and style but with a calm temperament when you're not hunting? Should be super easy to find.


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Kirk Whitman in Anderson should fit your bill, I don't remember the name of his kennel.

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http://www.bestretrievers.com/home.html

http://www.redmarklabradors.com/ (they have two litters of pups on the ground now, not sure how many are still avail)

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I believe he got his from a gentleman out of caldwell but i forget the name of the kennel. I think he would work well for me but hes just to much dog for my parents.

Kbobb i am looking more towards beginning of the year to get a pup, dropped money on a new truck and engagement ring so i need to save for a lil bit!


...Maximumintensity is that sarcasm or a serious response?

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Its sarcasm with a hint of truth. I can't tell you how many times a day people call me looking for what you are looking for. That is the perfect dog and what everyone in the know is looking for. Unfortunately you may go through a lot of puppies looking for this perfect mix. For that reason I would suggest going with what kbobjr said and getting a started dog. That way you can look at conformation, temperament, and skill set.

On a side note I have had way more field trial pedigrees that fit the profile that you are looking for versus not. Save your money and do your research and you will find what you are looking for but don't be in a rush.

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Storemski,
Kbob and Tony have both given excellent advice. With a puppy, you know the breeding, but it's a bit of a crap shoot with what you'll end up with a few years down the road, which is why the "started dog" way is an excellent choice. And usually, the started dog is cheaper in the long run vs sending a puppy to a pro.
I truly believe that the way they're raised and the level of training you give them and the amount of accountability you hold a dog to, truly determines their behavior, both good and bad. They're just like people; if you permit things to happen, you promote things to happen. And that starts from the day you bring them home. Be constant with your standard and hold the dog accountable.
Yes, some dogs are more "driven" than others and have more energy. Yes, some are more calm. However, a well bred dog can be trained to perform and act anything that you would teach them. It simply takes time, patience, and any knowledge that you can gather from someone who has done it before.
I have a 6 month old puppy out of an NAFC/FC and FC/AFC breeding with a pretty "hot" pedigree...awesome dog, great in the house, great with kids, sleeps in the bed, on/off switch, trainable, smart, great desire...
I also have a 1.5 year old dog out of an FC/AFC and HRCH breeding...slightly less "hot" pedigree. Has the same attributes as the younger dog, but is exponentially more intense during training...

Best of luck to you and your journey. It's always a fun ride!


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A dog that can do the job that wouldn't be high maintenance. Calm in the house and the duck blind. This wouldn't be a Field Trial champion by any stretch of the imagination. It would be a easy to train, easy to live with, good looking all arounder.

Take a look..

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Make sure you go watch the sire and dam work if they got show titles in there pedigree not saying that those dogs arent very good i just havent seen to many that have alot of umph at hunt tests. Alot of people like to put a junior title on show labs to market them as hunters. Just go evaluate the dogs and be the judge. U can get a good idea from the sire and dam

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Having gone through my first experiences with my Vizsla at both retriever tests and akc dog shows last couple years, I spent a lot of time watching the Labradors at both. The conformation Labs on average almost looked like a separate breed from the advanced hunt test/trial Labs. Both in looks and temperament.

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$2,000 for a lab pup?? dang I've lost touch with reality. I need to some research on buying a lab puppy.


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Most FT breedings start at 2500.00

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I wouldn't consider that a FT breeding.



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


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Hahahaha not even close to field trial breeding. Basically a non titled dog breed to a junior hunter with show labs in pedigree

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I wouldn't consider that a FT breeding.


She did say it was not a Field Trial champion by any stretch of the imagination



Shopping with your husband is like hunting with the game warden.
Experience is what you get, when you didn't get what you wanted.


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The thing about it is that the OP said that he wanted a dog that was calm but would also retrieve. He also stated that he did not want a high drive dog out of a field trial breeding because he had seen one and it was way too hot for him. Angie suggested a breeding that matches the description of what he asked for.

When looking for a pup the more you are willing to wait or spend increases the likelihood that you are going to get exactly what you are looking for. Yes these pups would be a field and show cross but that is exactly one of the things that Angie specializes in and has been doing it for a long time. Any pup is a gamble even an NFCxNFC. I would way rather buy a pup from someone that specializes in that type of thing and knows what they are going to get from a particular breeding. That experience costs money as does a good started dog which is the other viable option here. Either way your wallet is going to be a little lighter but you stand a better chance of being happy in the long run.


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Well said Tony.
Sometimes we get sidetracked on the original question, and start posting what we like in a dog, and not what the OP would want.



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Well, I came here to start my own thread because I was curious about the litter available at Tioga...and sure enough, I found someone already talking about it! I lost my beloved Yellow Lab and hunting companion in May. I'm not totally sure what my question would be, and I do realize that the pups are expensive and as noted above, they are probably worth it for the time, experience, etc.

Like the OP...I am looking for a dog that loves to get out in the field and hunt but I don't think I need a Field Trial dog. I think I'm being pretty realistic about my needs/wants in a dog. I think it would be awesome to have an amazing Field Trial dog, but I just don't have the time to commit to run them in tests etc, so it's not what I need.

I will still work the dog a bit every day (and send her to Angie for hunting school.) So, this litter could be a perfect fit for me. I want a female by the way. The dog would be 80% at home chilling with me and the wife (and maybe kids one day) and then 20% working on retrieving and hunting.

So, I guess my question is (it was kind of answered earlier)... Is $2k too much for a pup with limited bloodlines? And the male dog has never bred before, so how do we know what type of dogs his pups will be? Tioga had some litters earlier that were 2K but the bloodlines seemed much more hunt test/field trial related. Or I thought they were?? I know it's always some what of a crap shoot but I would be really disappointed if I spent 2K and the dog didn't take to hunt training, etc.

Angie, I know you are on this thread also, so I would love to hear your opinion as well! smile

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My advice to both the above and the OP is to find your local trainer and go out and just watch dogs off the truck run. I don't care if you go to Angie's kennel, mine, or anyone else's you just need to see different dogs. I started suggesting this to people with the same wants as the OP and my experience has been that in most cases people end up really liking something completely different than what they originally stated.

One of the key things that I ask my clients is "How do you hunt?" If you run and gun every day of the season and expect a dog to pick up a three man limit every hunt then you need something totally different than a guy that hunts a handful of times a year on a private tank and is tickled to kill 3 or 4 birds.

By going out and watching a bunch of dogs work and talking to the trainer about them you get a chance to see what drive/temperament combination you really like and that gives a better idea of what pup would be best suited for you.

I joked in my first post on this thread but most people want a ton of drive and style at the line or in the blind but super calm at the house. You can absolutely have this. Its called a mature finished dog. Generally people who try to get a calm puppy are not satisfied with their drive. It is easier to put whoa into a dog than put go into them.

As I said before there are those that try to specifically breed for both traits but unicorns are expensive, even if they don't have a pedigree!


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