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Ideas to manage friends/in-laws and bucks? #5402692 11/06/14 04:09 PM
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I have a new ranch, not very big 200 acres but good game. I recently put a house on it and now all the inlaws and friends want to come and I feel that I must lay down some guidelines for who shoots bucks. I have 2 teenagers and the bucks are for us. What are some ideas for management? Thanks


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Most suggest getting a biologist out there to so a survey. Talk to neighbors see who hunts and what their practices are. You may not change their practices but it may affect how you manage your land. Get some cams and feeders up to see what is passing through. That's what I would do if I was in your shoes, congrats on your purchase, living the dream!


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We have 320+- acres for my dad brother and I to hunt. We base total harvest off of surveys. We pick the bucks we specifically want for us or one of us and then other people are typically told you can shoot hogs, any predators(coyotes, bobcat, etc.) a doe, or one of the bucks on an approved list with pictures that we will show them.

We don't have a lot of invite hunts but that is how they have been handled in past.


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Re: Ideas to manage friends/in-laws and bucks? [Re: the rattler] #5402724 11/06/14 04:20 PM
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Get some cameras rolling and scout the bucks you have as much as possible.. have the pictures of the bucks that you feel ok for them to take and let that be that... no exceptions. I have a place that's about the same size and we are taking 4yr old+ bucks nothing younger whatsoever. We do have a few 4yr olds that show to have great potential for some big 5yr olds that will get a pass. Easy to cover the bucks really what you need to find out is how many doe you have and an estimate of your ratio... on mine there are more bucks than doe which is very odd for our area but even so we agreed not to take any doe for now and only 4yr old + bucks... so if you have a lot of doe that's a good way to get that side of things taken care of while your boys are hunting bucks. plenty of shooting being done though since we are working the pigs and yotes non stop. On that size property I would try and keep it well fed and as quiet as possible.

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Hand them a brochure made for your ranch with prices to hunt. up


So true!


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Re: Ideas to manage friends/in-laws and bucks? [Re: the rattler] #5402798 11/06/14 04:38 PM
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Also explain them you have a long term management plan and goal for your land. You will be sticking to it at all times. That plan includes a limited harvest, no exceptions. All hunters will be guided if needed. That makes it easier to keep from shooting a buck. "That buck is still to young" and leave it at that. grin



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I have a similar situation, only I don't own the land. I married into a family with about the same amount of land. They have never really killed any bigger deer. 120's is probably the biggest they've seen. My family has land in Erath county and over the years we've managed to grow some fairly large bucks. My wife's family has as me to help "manage" the herd by telling them which deer should be culled every year. Well after a few years of shooting culls and growing a decent herd. They have gone buck shooting crazy. Last year they killed 3 3.5-4.5 yr 8s and this year they have managed to do the same thing again and it driving me nuts.

Long story short its your land you decide. If they want to shoot a big deer they can chip in on price of land, corn or hunting set ups. Be careful who you let on your land to hunt. It only takes one hunter to mess up what you've been working hard to create.

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On my place there are culls and nothing else. Deer that are legal that have no brow tines, big bodied spikes which I only have 1 that meets this requirement and 2 funky bucks for this year that look like they took a chair to the face. Ive told the few people ive invited this is it your one and only shot. If you take something other than whats in these pics there is no invite to come back. So far in my one week test with one invited hunter...my brother... it has worked grin


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Re: Ideas to manage friends/in-laws and bucks? [Re: the rattler] #5402876 11/06/14 05:05 PM
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Bottom line is you're going to have to be very stingy with your deer harvests. Your guests have to accept the idea that they will most likely just be watching and enjoying their time in the outdoors. Once folks figure out that they will have very limited opportunities to shoot, it won't take long for most of them to lose interest. Long term you can reward the folks that are willing to chip-in on some of the work, follow the rules closely, help scout out deer for you and your kids, etc. by letting them take a deer, maybe even a cull buck somewhere along the way.

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I would say 1 buck per 100 acres. At least where we are. Unless you have a low fenced neighbor with 12,000 acres beside you. You have to lay down the law early, everyone wants to hunt your place. Hogs and varmints only, after deer season.


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Don't invite them or let them hunt. Problem solved.


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confused2 what is legal amount of deer that can be taken. HF or LF. here it finaly went to 4 deer county, LF & small acre property. been concentrating on hogs here. one sow can have 4-5 at time & just about 3times a year. seen alot of deer on cams this year. fewer & smaller hogs. my 2cents i have cheep posts. best wishes flag



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What county is this in?

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Don't invite them or let them hunt. Problem solved.

This ^^^ it sounds harsh, but unless you are going to sit in the blind with them, it's the only way to do it and be assured that your requirements are met. My family will be coming in next month for a weekend, and the only person who I will let hunt is my father. Not that I don't care that my brothers don't have a place to hunt, it's just that they decide to spend their money elsewhere instead of on a lease. My dad on the other hand, has a green light to shoot anything he wants...he's earned that right for putting up with me for almost 40 years grin


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My rule is you shoot a buck you are gonna mount it, and I take to the taxi. $400 makes them think it over.

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Family,,ugh, good luck. No way my family hunts my ranch. Hopefully you have a better family.


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For every hour of work they put in on the ranch, they get one entry into a drawing to be held on October 15th. Winner gets to kill a buck of your choice. The more work you put in, the better your chances are of winning.


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I have 375 acres. My immediate family and two other people (one BIL, one friend) can hunt bucks. BIL and friend know what a mature deer is. In 9 years I have put one deer "off limits" for me and my family. Everyone else can hunt does, hogs, and predators only. No exceptions. You must draw a hard line-otherwise your place will be shot up in a hurry. No one will care about it like you do. They may say they will, but they won't. If you make an exception, everyone else gets their feelings hurt.

Trust me on this.

P.S. I find it strange so many reply as if you can "inventory" a LF place like counting cans on a grocery store shelf. You cannot. Certainly not in east TX. During the rut bucks will show up from far and wide and some of your bucks will leave.

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Tell them to buy their own land.

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I agree with the masses. My family don't work on my lease or pay for anything, so they don't hunt period. There are day leases they can go to and pay to hunt. Sounds harsh but hey I don't give hand outs.


I have a few exceptions, my lil sis and son, but I work their butts off for it. Nothing like child labor, cheap and they can't mouth off!! I hunt some with my BIL on his place so he's allowed a trip or two per year.

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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
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X100

Might even write it out in bags of corn/protein or supplies(feeders/blinds)

Example 1 does= 10bags of corn

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With 200 acres you better get to know the neighbors and see what they are doing. Not knowing what area you are in, it's hard to say, but you probably won't have that many 'management' bucks. Concentrate on the doe population and make sure you take out ones from all age groups. Hopefully you have a lot of cover to give the deer a place hide and avoid traffic.

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With 200 acres you better get to know the neighbors and see what they are doing. Not knowing what area you are in, it's hard to say, but you probably won't have that many 'management' bucks. Concentrate on the doe population and make sure you take out ones from all age groups. Hopefully you have a lot of cover to give the deer a place hide and avoid traffic.


X2 You can't manage a deer herd on low fenced 200 acres, you can only do what you think is right. The neighbors might go along with a management plan, but I wouldn't plan on it happening. As to family and friends, depending on how you handle everything you may lose some friends and may cause some of the family to shun you, is it worth it? Only you can decide that.


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With 200 acres you better get to know the neighbors and see what they are doing. Not knowing what area you are in, it's hard to say, but you probably won't have that many 'management' bucks. Concentrate on the doe population and make sure you take out ones from all age groups. Hopefully you have a lot of cover to give the deer a place hide and avoid traffic.


X2 You can't manage a deer herd on low fenced 200 acres, you can only do what you think is right. The neighbors might go along with a management plan, but I wouldn't plan on it happening. As to family and friends, depending on how you handle everything you may lose some friends and may cause some of the family to shun you, is it worth it? Only you can decide that.

confused2 I am and my neighbor to north and east was already when I got this place. He has 360 acres so it is working great so far for both of us. Very limited buck harvest and I am taking off a few does with MLD permits. We have both done limited buck harvest while including family. The only buck I had taken the past 2 season was taken by my Dad. His only buck taken in the previous 3 years was by his nephew, that young mans first buck.



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